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To ask again who is happy about the direction Brexit is heading

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Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 19:11:43

I wasn't going to start another of these threads after the second ended last night but today's ruling in the High court is pretty significant so I thought I'd ask again

Are you happy with the current state of play?

allthingsred Thu 03-Nov-16 19:16:12

The high court ruling as made me more fearful about democracy in this country.
How is it possible that if the country has voted for something it can be ignored?

EleanorRigby123 Thu 03-Nov-16 19:16:15

I think it will be good if Parliament is put back in charge of the Brexit process. The big decisions on whether to remain part of the single market and accept freedom of movement etc should not be left to BOris, Fox and Davis - who have no mandate and in any case cannot agree among themselves.

I don't think it will change the fact that the referendum means that the UK will leave the EU.

lummox Thu 03-Nov-16 19:18:58

allthingsred - what do you think has happened? How can you possibly think that this means that the vote has been ignored?

Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 19:19:32

The high court ruling as made me more fearful about democracy in this country.

The country voted to a Leave the EU, it didn't vote how that should be done.

One of the a Leave mantras was 'to regain sovereignty' and parliament is sovereign so why is it an issue?

Why would you prefer an unelected PM to push through her interpretation of what everyone who voted leaves wants?

MyschoolMyrules Thu 03-Nov-16 19:24:01

My issue right now is that so many voters still to this day don't understand what a referendum is. Therefore will not understand the High court ruling.

EssentialHummus Thu 03-Nov-16 19:26:32

EUer here, so I couldn't vote but you can guess how I'd have voted.

For today, I'm giggling to myself at Leavers getting themselves worked up about the fact of parliamentary sovereignty having, er, campaigned to leave the EU so the UK could have parliamentary sovereignty.

More broadly? The outrage and uncertainty around this latest move makes me believe all the more that the referendum should have had "ADVISORY ONLY" above it in large letters. This is an important, once-in-a-lifetime situation, and it is absolutely not one to be decided conclusively by referendum.

Lottapianos Thu 03-Nov-16 19:29:22

'This is an important, once-in-a-lifetime situation, and it is absolutely not one to be decided conclusively by referendum.'

Completely agree. The whole thing has been a shambles from start to finish, all thanks to David Cameron's vanity. There was no actual plan for what Brexit would look like apart from lies and sound bites and that's becoming more clear every day

ForalltheSaints Thu 03-Nov-16 19:29:29

Today's High Court ruling if upheld by the Supreme Court is to be welcomed. Parliament should vote to give the Government the authority to invoke Article 50.

And if it upset Nigel Farage, then that is a bonus.

MakemineaGandT Thu 03-Nov-16 19:31:43

allthingsred you misunderstand what the court was asked - it did not consider the referendum result at all. It was merely a question - of law- on whether gov can act to issue Art 50 or whether as a matter of constitutional law - this can only be done by Parliament

Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 19:33:49

From what I've read the Supreme Court ruling is just a formality in that it will support the High Courts ruling because the governments case failed on a constitutional point of law before they'd even taken the claimants argument into account.

Bitofacow Thu 03-Nov-16 19:39:00

I'm confused, people voted brexit because they wanted control. Well a UK court has ruled that the UK Parliament should scrutinise as major constitutional issue for the UK. Parliament is sovereign in the UK. Your issue is??

ThoraGruntwhistle Thu 03-Nov-16 19:40:13

Today has upset an awful lot of people who don't understand what has happened, after voting for something they didn't understand, whilst using a lot of terms they didn't understand either. Throw around the words 'democracy' and 'sovereignty' for weeks and then get angry when that's what you get. confused

SpunkyMummy Thu 03-Nov-16 19:44:08

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

FarAwayHills Thu 03-Nov-16 19:59:57

I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with this. The unelected PM Teresa May and her Brexiteers cannot be allowed to dictate the terms of such an important decision for the country behind closed doors. They need to be answerable to parliament it's what democracy is all about. Isn't this the very reason that people voted to leave the EU - to stop others making decisions that impact us without having any say in the matter.

wasonthelist Thu 03-Nov-16 20:37:07

YABVU to keep on posting this here with a set agenda and when there is a perfectly good area of MN set aside for discussing it.

Keep on posting your posturing threads poking nastiness at leave voters though, I am sure you'll have fun congratulating each other about all the new ways you have found to feel superior.

pointythings Thu 03-Nov-16 20:58:07

I think this is a good thing, at least now there will be some scrutiny and hopefully a bit of a curb on the Three Brexiteers so that we get smart Brexit, not hard Brexit. I would clearly prefer no Brexit at all, but that is not on the table.

Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 20:59:46

wasonthlist no one made you thread police- jog on.

AutumnLeavesAgain Thu 03-Nov-16 21:04:55

Well I think wasonthelist makes some valid observations.

Pinkcadillac Thu 03-Nov-16 21:08:50

YABU

SpunkyMummy Thu 03-Nov-16 21:09:35

You are on the AIBU board. And you got an answer, yes, YABVU.

Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 21:10:59

maybe autumn but why do you think it is it a problem to have the details debated in parliament?

Bearbehind Thu 03-Nov-16 21:12:20

No probs spunky

Could you tell us why is it a problem to have the details debated in parliament too?

Bitofacow Thu 03-Nov-16 21:14:33

In the UK Parliament is sovereign. It has to be debated in Parliament. That's the law. How is this confusing?

AutumnLeavesAgain Thu 03-Nov-16 21:16:44

Can you tell us why you can't accept the answer to the question as posed?

"AIBU?"
" Yes YABU."

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