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Project Fear were wrong all along?

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MrsPeterParker Wed 21-Sep-16 20:29:23

With all the newspapers and economic reports screaming there is no/ only positive impact of brexit so far, do you think the Remainers were all wrong and needlessly projecting doomsday scenarios ?

Trufflethewuffle Wed 21-Sep-16 20:30:29

We haven't left yet.

apoorna Wed 21-Sep-16 20:32:33

We are still part of EU so I don't understand what the celebration is all about

LyraMortalia Wed 21-Sep-16 20:32:43


noblegiraffe Wed 21-Sep-16 20:34:24

Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and Cameron had said he would do it immediately. I don't think anyone made predictions for a time period of complete hopeless inaction that left us no closer to actually leaving.

topsy777 Wed 21-Sep-16 21:08:26

Yes - doomsday scenarios were wrong. It was wrong then, and will be wrong after A50.

The City has now come up with a proper estimate - around 20% of the revenue at risk and obviously a far lower net figure (still in the billions).

Also, there will be damages in various areas that we need to manage to ensure that pain is spread out and funds are directed at areas of need.

topsy777 Wed 21-Sep-16 21:12:42

Medium term though, there are threats and there are many opportunities and our still-clueless leaders better get their act together fast to ensure opportunities are maximised and threats minimised.

Corcory Wed 21-Sep-16 21:40:30

Markets react to sudden shocks and this is how they have reacted. Relatively well considering.
I think the idea that it hasn't happened yet so we will have to wait and see what happens after article 50 or after we leave is not how markets work. They will have had plenty of warning by then so will have adjusted the markets accordingly and will not suddenly dip as was suggested.
There are always going to be businesses that suffer and it will have a negative impact on them but not the really awful situation with the was forecast by the doom sayers.

missmoon Wed 21-Sep-16 22:46:41

"Also, there will be damages in various areas that we need to manage to ensure that pain is spread out and funds are directed at areas of need"

Who's going to cover these costs? There is no way in hell I'll be prepared to pay more in taxes to cover the costs of a disaster I didn't vote for. I'd rather work fewer hours, and might even consider leaving the country until things settle down (10-15 years down the line).

GettinTrimmer Thu 22-Sep-16 07:45:53

Not sure about doomsday scenarios, it was clear before the referendum vote there were risks to the economy.

I read an article estimating 3 million job losses, but 1 million jobs created (big deal), presumably due to more export opportunity.

I was focused on the economy, and it seemed to be a no brainer that to avoid costs and keep jobs, voting in was the way to go, especially when considering teenage children having to enter the job market when brexit will be in full flow. After the vote it became clear what an awful mess we are in, not only economically but politically and socially - no mention of Scotland and Northern Ireland in those TV debates.

I believe the next generation will pick up all this mess, and deal with the upheaval and economic pain.

Oh, and it hasn't even happened yet, I hear older people say 'where's all this money, now we've left Europe?' Clueless.

surferjet Thu 22-Sep-16 07:49:38

'project fear' was always a load of crap put out there by the bankers/ rich elite/ who thought they could fool the masses & carry on lining their own pockets.

How wrong they were smile
& yes, the economy is doing very well thank you.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 07:50:39

Remainders are the worst for that. Always asking where the 350m for the NHS is. I've half a mind they might be doing it on purpose.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 07:55:29

In fact I'm an older person and I've never heard an older person say that, trimmer. Most of the remainders I know are just grumpy that things are fine, and the leavers are waiting for it all to happen - some impatient but they're all happy.

And I thought uncertainty was supposed to be a bad thing? I think there's confidence in us post EU - it's not just residual.

twofingerstoGideon Thu 22-Sep-16 08:26:24

Checks news sources... yes, as I thought, we're still part of the EU, so not really surprising that the economy hasn't tanked, that we don't know how many companies might leave the UK, don't know whether we'll lose financial passporting, don't know whether - in the long term - families will be better or worse off, whether migrants (including Brits abroad) will still have any security, etc. etc. But let's rejoice at the pound losing value - Hooray!

Trying to claim Brexit was successful because nothing has happened in the two months since the referendum (apart from a nasty increase in racially-motivated attacks) just demonstrates the simplistic thinking of many leave voters.

And, incidentally, the only 'screaming' I saw in the newspapers was shit like this.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 08:35:16

Really two fingers? I thought uncertainty was supposed to be a death knell. I thought companies were firing people the day after. I thought they were putting plans on hold before June 23 because of the fear of brexit. People were going to leave the country. And despite the vote, despite even more uncertainty with the loss of a PM and a government, no opposition to speak of, all the threats from the US and Brussels - we're fine. It was threats and project fear - now it's just excuses.

twofingerstoGideon Thu 22-Sep-16 08:36:00

Always asking where the 350m for the NHS is

I am sick to death of leave voters claiming that this wasn't a 'promise' when this was one of the mainstays of the Brexit campaign. It is disingenuous to say the least. Clearly, some people voted leave PRECISELY because they thought the money would go to the NHS. like the woman reported here

I'm not surprised Brexit voters are annoyed at remain voters bringing this subject up repeatedly - I'm sure they'd rather forget that their slim 'victory' was fought on such terrible lies when the NHS is on its knees. It is right that remainers remind them of this. If the Advertising Standards Authority had any remit with regard to political campaigns, they would have stopped this wild assertion that the money could go to the NHS, or, indeed, that there would be a spare £350m sloshing around in the first place.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 08:38:19

It wasn't a promise. smile

The promise was to spend some of it on the NHS. Which will happen smile smile

GettinTrimmer Thu 22-Sep-16 08:38:57

Oh well, never mind, it will all be sorted out in 20 year's time!

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 08:40:14

Gosh that's such rubbish two fingers. The number of votes remain got, based on the most unscrupulous untruths, really should be acknowledged.

twofingerstoGideon Thu 22-Sep-16 08:41:18

Universities are already going through great uncertainty (just one example).

But everything's 'fine' in leaverville.

If you honestly believed that people would be fired the day after the Brexit vote, what can I say?

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Thu 22-Sep-16 08:43:10

It hasn't happened yet, we do not know what Brexit will be looking he.
Article 50 not triggered, it's just preliminary talks. Limbo.

GettinTrimmer Thu 22-Sep-16 08:43:35

Winchester dreadful campaign on the leave side, lies told by Johnson and Farage. Interesting you don't mention that.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 08:43:55

I didn't believe it when people came on here and said it WAS happening but I forbore, out of politeness, from saying so.

WinchesterWoman Thu 22-Sep-16 08:44:41

See that's a lie you told right there. Still at it?

GettinTrimmer Thu 22-Sep-16 08:45:03

Also you should look at the National Statistics Authority who have pointed out to the leave campaign their figures were rubbish.

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