Fellow remain voters - some resource sharing

[TooTiredToTidy]

Fellow remain voters, hats off to the group of you that spend time on these boards pushing the case for remain and arguing against points put by leave voters. My especial admiration to you for your tenacity (and envy you have the time to do it!)

I originally decided to see if I could find some more moderate leave voters (as so many online in the below the line comments or in Facebook groups like Get Britain Out seem to be just out and out kippers) I wanted to see if a group of mothers who had voted leave would be worried that there is still no plan for Brexit, that we've effectively hitched ourselves on a boat with only a vague sense of direction but no map, no plan and only words of confidence and a meaningless motto (Brexit means Brexit) to carry us forwards. I unfortunately have come away more worried than ever. There's no need to go into the why's and the wherefore's since the other super active threads do that already.

But I thought it'd be useful to summarise a few remain/Brexit groups/social media links and ask that if you have other good ones to post on here to share

On Facebook 2 of the more active groups are:

The 48%
www.facebook.com/groups/1214912015208730/
Vote Remain
www.facebook.com/groups/573474776194545/

Here's a campaign for tactical voting ready for the next general election:
Www.voteforeurope.org.uk

I did also find some intelligent leavers to follow on Twitter to ensure I get the view from the other side (that isn't the Express, The Daily Hate etc) (still working on this list, not as easy as it appears!!)
@montie - Tim Montgomery, times journalist
@frasernelson - spectator editor
@rolandmcs - fellow at Adam Smith Institute
@matthew_elliot - chair of the vote leave campaign
@stevehiltonx - former advisor to David Cameron

Please feel free to add to the above!

[SapphireStrange]

Thanks, TooTired! I'm in the tactical voting group and also one called European Solidarity Forum. Didn't know about those Tweeters though, so I'll check them out.

[Peregrina]

Just signed up to the 48% group TooTired - although I don't do much with facebook.

Also registered with the tactical voting group. My MP did vote Remain - as did most of her constituents. She won the seat from the LibDems in 2010 with a small majority which was increased in 2015. It's just possible she could be vulnerable, if the Lib Dems get their act together!

Your middle link didn't seem to work.

[whatwouldrondo]

Thanks

This is good in general and obviously particularly good on the issue of the future of Science in the UK

www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/?ref=ts&fref=ts

[TooTiredToTidy]

Hmm don't know why I can't get that link to work... But you can just search 'vote remain' and it will come up in the results.

There's also a pop up print newspaper:
www.theneweuropean.co.uk/home

The Tactical voting group is calling for 500 word blogs on any remain topic too as that's been shown to help spread the word

[RedToothBrush]

peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/
Pro - Leave Blog.

It has a certain amount of content and substance behind arguments.

@LordAshcroft
He also has a website:
lordashcroftpolls.com/

www.conservativehome.com/
It has a genuine mix of pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit views though the main focus is on what government policy should actually be regardless. Obviously important as its the Tory Party thinking.

[Peregrina]

Peter North's blog is a much more reasoned and thought out read than most Pro Leave people.

I had to pick out this paragraph from his most recent post:
"In this we do ourselves three major favours. By opening up new export potential for Africa we create a source of cheaper goods - in agriculture especially. That reduces domestic cost of living. The very act of doing so puts us first in the queue to sell our business and financial services - along with our innovations. We are a knowledge based economy. Latterly, by improving the economies and increasing wealth of African states we reduce the push factor of war and famine."

This to me, smacks of Colonialism again - we will help civilise the natives. Do we need cheap agricultural products from Africa? Will that not distort their own internal markets? Is reducing our domestic cost of living at the expense of African nations responsible behaviour for a developed country? Do they need our financial and business services in exchange?

By all means aim to reduce war and famine, but I am just not convinced that Britain muscling in again is the way to do this.

[Peregrina]

I did enjoy his post "Brexit: a storm brewing on the right". He says many things that we Remainers aren't allowed to say.

"It may even result in Davis and Fox being sacked or forced to resign. What it will mean is that those spearheading the Brexit efforts will be utterly discredited and politically defeated."

We can but live in hope .

Off to read a few more of his posts.

[TooTiredToTidy]

Thanks Red! Will add to my ever growing pile of reading...

An unintended benefit of being so angry at Brexit is I now know shed loads more about trade deals and WTO than I ever thought I'd be interested to know

[Thegirlinthefireplace]

Anyone going to march for Europe on Saturday? I've only just heard about it and plan to go to the London one but the Twitter page has worryingly few followers 😟

[Peregrina]

I'm contemplating joining the Oxford march, if there is one. I gave up with twitter some years back so haven't bothered to follow it.

[Peregrina]

Thanks once again for this TooTired - the 48% facebook group has offered me something of a lifeline.

[missmoon]

Re. the march on Saturday, there is a crowdfunding drive to raise funds for organisation (security, AV equipment etc.), see here: www.crowdpac.co.uk/campaigns/38/march-for-europe

[missmoon]

The Facebook groups seem quite active...

[smallfox2002]

The Peter North stuff still relies on fantasy economics, stuff about deals with Australia etc, joining the EEA when Norway says that it would have to decide etc.

[Peregrina]

Peter North - fantasy, absolutely, but at least it's more considered than the rantings of some others.