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Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.

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RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jul-16 16:34:48

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD ELEVEN

The dust is beginning to settle and the storm has abated. At least for the moment. The summer is about to start, and so there may be a break in proceeding.

May has had quite a first week both here and abroad.

The ground has not stopped shaking from the political ripples abroad. Made PM on Weds, Nice on Thursday and a failed coup in Turkey on Friday. The political landscape has changed once again.

At home she first cleared out the Govians and called for loyalty. She channelled the ghost of Maggie at the despatch box. She started the process of trying to make friends with Scots, Germans and the French. She is apparently now Merkel's bestie. Sturgeon is already ousted from that position after just days.

Boris, meanwhile has been rinsed by everyone he speaks to because of what he's said in the past. He's also given up his chickfeed job. Oh the hardship.

Now he looking like he's starting to regret deciding to play with the grown up. He's been trying - and it would seem, largely failing - at sucking up to the Americans. There's still no apology, but he has admitted that he has a list that is so long that he's lost track of what he needs to apologise for. I bet he's wishing for his playmates, Dave and George to come back.

Otherwise life carries on as normal, well this alternate new version of normal, with parliament breaking for the summer today. Don't worry the Martian landing is scheduled for a week Tuesday.

UKIP's polling seems to have dropped back post referendum, and things have gone rather quiet. Wolfe, Etheridge, Duffy and Arnott are all standing (Who? When did that happen? Yeah quite. Without Farage they disappeared). They plan to reform and make an assault on seats in the Labour heartlands of the provisional NW, Midlands and NE at the next general election. Hustings in August, new leader announced Sept 15th. Looks of thinly and not so thinly veiled racism to look forward to there then. The Daily Mail best make sure it upgrades its servers in time.

The Labour contest grinds on like a war of attrition. Stalking horse Angela fell at the first fence as Owen Smith (that's the MP not the journalist everyone including the media!) wins the dream unity candidate ticket for an apparent hiding to nothing against the steely stubbornness of Corbyn. Everyone with a pulse is starting to loose the will to live with it all.

The Lib Dems, have a Spokesman for Remain. Old Cleggy's back! Otherwise they seem to have been trying to do a deluded impression of the opposition party. Though with 8 MPs they aren't doing much better or worse than Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet atm.

The Green are having a leadership battle too. It must be very civilised - I've heard not a word about it. Lucas tried to get a vote about PR though the Commons. It failed. Again.

There also is a cross party idea to set up a new iniative of a progressive movement to champion Europe, which seems to be gaining some traction. It may also double as a support group for anyone who thinks the world has gone a bit nuts lately at this rate.

The SNP are pissed off, as they vow differently on everything and once again they feel that Trident has been imposed on them. Sturgeon had a good meeting with May though, and apparently the Union must remain and Scotland holds the key to the future. Though we don't know the key to which door that is - Braveheart or Brave New World.

The Republic of Ireland is making noises about a referendum about Irish Unity, but beyond that nothing about NI has really been on the radar. May is supposed to go visiting soon.

And the Welsh? Baaaaa who cares about the welsh? They made the mistake of voting Leave as well as the English and now have been forgotten, consigned to political irrelevance forever.

Article 50 has been pushed back officially until the New Year, with a first legal hearing on how to activate it due no sooner than the 3rd week in October. Leaving the EU legally will now be no earlier than 2019.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2685902-Westminstenders-Contines-Boris-outmaneovered-everyone-Now-War-and-Peace?pg=1 Previous Thread TEN

derxa Thu 21-Jul-16 16:51:02

Placemarking

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Thu 21-Jul-16 16:55:59

Shocking about Angela Eagle. Fgs. What is going on here?

Police are aware of UK Councillor Terence Nathan's Twitter comments

Chalalala Thu 21-Jul-16 16:57:32

here

SalemsLott Thu 21-Jul-16 16:58:19

Place marking. Thanks Red for such informative and interesting links smile

TheBathroomSink Thu 21-Jul-16 17:01:35

Apparently, unless the police come out and verify AE's claim, it is all another big smear campaign by the anti-Corbynistas. And Corbyn didn't really threaten all his MPs with reselection, just confirmed that boundary changes meant all MPs would need to be reselected. By the party members, who hate the MPs.
Labour's leader in the Lords smacked him down for claiming credit for actions which were taken by the Lords, which basically amounted to all the parliamentary victories he'd claimed.

And the important news of the day was apparently that Larry the cat has a sore paw, and has seen a vet.

RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jul-16 17:07:00

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/07/commons-confidential-eagles-wings-clipped

Wow, just wow at Priti Patel.

drspouse Thu 21-Jul-16 17:07:03

Just place marking as I can't think of anything to say except... What is everyone ON?

TheBathroomSink Thu 21-Jul-16 17:10:39

Red, that buzzfeed link (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inside-the-complex-snarl-of-companies-which-control-the-pro?bftwuk&utm_term=.sbl8PdL79#.nqJLKmD4e) on the momentum structure seems remarkably similar to the way the Leave.eu campaign was structured.

I wonder if all these Momentum members know they've basically signed up to a private company?

JedRambosteen Thu 21-Jul-16 17:15:04

Also placemarking.

Going back to Diane's interview on R4 Today this morning (which I listened to open-mouthed), did she really expect his party to cheer for Corbyn at PMQ? 80% of them have voted no confidence and he refuses to go. Of course they are not going to cheer. And therein lies the rub.

RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jul-16 17:24:17

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-its-time-to-accept-the-fact-that-brexit-may-never-actually-happen-a7148816.html
The Independent tout the pebble kicking theory.

TheBathroomSink Thu 21-Jul-16 17:32:50

I think she did Jed - it isn't that surprising when you consider they spend a large amount of time at rallies where JC is everyone's hero and cannot be wrong in any way.

Plus, of course, the fact that he's shit at PMQs. I do think there's a chance the 'feminist' JC mask might slip one week, though, if TM keeps goading him.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Thu 21-Jul-16 17:40:46

Red I know some of us on here follow David Allen Green - he is convinced it will never happen.

twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen/status/746635672098906112

RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jul-16 17:43:18

In a week? I think it might backfire quicker than that.

The Lib Dems seem to be on the case already.

@LibDemPress have tweeted something saying:

Lib Dems call on Corbyn to publish Labour's Pay Gap
Following Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign launch, in which he called on companies to publish pay audits, Liberal Democrat President Sal Brinton called on him to publish the gender pay gap in the Labour Party HQ.

Someone has said that they think Labour will refuse to publish, and then someone asked whether they could refuse as a not for profit political organisation.

Of course this is from the Lib Dems who have 8 MPs. All male....

nauticant Thu 21-Jul-16 17:44:17

One consolation in all this is that Boris Johnson has a job that requires him to travel around the world where he has to stand there while people, finally, can tell him he's a liar without him wriggling out of it by acting like a clown. "Bwah! Funny hair! Wiff-waff! <a bit of Greek poetry>"

It's very amusing because the alternative for him is to announce "you know how I ran away from the Brexit victory, well, I'm now running away from this top job because I can't hack it".

There is my contribution to positive Brexit thinking™.

TheBathroomSink Thu 21-Jul-16 17:49:22

He seemed to say (from the Guardian blog www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jul/21/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-labour-leader-theresa-may-paris-politics-live?page=with:block-57909bf5e4b0c3fad175a51f#block-57909bf5e4b0c3fad175a51f ) that he'd only release the Labour info if they get elected and make it law, doesn't look like he'd do it voluntarily...

Unicornsarelovely Thu 21-Jul-16 18:21:01

Just place marking. Thanks for the new thread, Red.

Btw, I notice the latest threads in the EU ref topic are leavers celebrating the positives of leaving. Given nothing's going to happen till 2019, and we don't know what form it will take that seems possibly a touch premature.

TheNorthRemembers Thu 21-Jul-16 18:25:51

Marking my place.

RedToothBrush Thu 21-Jul-16 18:36:15

I think part of it, is 'getting one over on the elites and the establishment' rather than anymore substantial. We'll see how long it lasts before the mood turns ugly.

Peregrina Thu 21-Jul-16 18:36:34

I think the Green leadership contest is quiet because they change their leader every couple of years, and the time to change has now come round.

TheBathroomSink Thu 21-Jul-16 18:38:26

I think the Greens contest is quiet because we know even fewer of them than we do of Ukip!

officerhinrika Thu 21-Jul-16 18:38:51

Checking in, don't want to lose track of these threads!

officerhinrika Thu 21-Jul-16 18:42:26

The juxtaposition of Liz Truss with Eleanor of Provence is pretty surreal, not to mention the fancy dress.

BlueEyeshadow Thu 21-Jul-16 19:16:40

Signing in

thecatfromjapan Thu 21-Jul-16 19:31:42

Thanks, Red. smile

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