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Any Remainers feeling positive about chances of staying in EU - even a little bit?

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EdieParfitt Tue 05-Jul-16 12:13:10


I'm hoping that Mishcon de Reya's legal challenge that a parliamentary debate and vote on the Referendum is required before Article 50 is invoked will kick start a a remain fight back.

PurpleDaisies Tue 05-Jul-16 12:16:31


I think we need to make the best of it and push for good trade deals, European nationals here bring allowed to stay, easy movement of labour and stand up against people who are demonising immigrants.

PigletWasPoohsFriend Tue 05-Jul-16 12:20:46


Whether people like it or not. There was a vote and leave 'won' .

If it doesn't go ahead the divides in this country will get worse and those that feel disenfranchised will feel even more so.

Majority of MPs have said that the result should stand. Majority of their constituents voted leave.

(I voted remain)

RaggyDoll24 Tue 05-Jul-16 12:23:16

No. There was a vote - 'leave' got the majority. Now we all just need to wait and see what happens.

3amEternal Tue 05-Jul-16 12:29:31

Not sure what will happen. I don't think any government has a mandate to lead us down a path of predicted economic ruin however.

Cleebope Tue 05-Jul-16 12:32:02

No and it still feels like a bad joke gone wrong. We are going to suffer so much financially and here in NI I really feel we will suffer most. Thank God for Mark Carney- someone talking sense and stepping up to the job.

Abraiid1 Tue 05-Jul-16 12:34:10

Sadly I think we just have to make the best of it now.

Perhaps the whole thing will fall apart and we can form part of an EU#2 some years ahead.

Cleebope Tue 05-Jul-16 12:41:44

Like your idea of EU2- will the sequel be more successful than the original?

Breadandruses Tue 05-Jul-16 12:53:04

Parliament is full of lawyers - I do wonder if the reason the referendum was so sloppily thrown together was to ensure it wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on should things all go tits up

Abraiid1 Tue 05-Jul-16 13:09:09

We can hope, Clee!

redhat Tue 05-Jul-16 13:12:43

I'm a lawyer and whilst the challenge by MdR is interesting, it really seems designed to ensure that we don't find ourselves in an even bigger mess with interested parties trying to litigate over process which they say hasn't been carried out properly. I'm not sure that the MdR clients genuinely think that the politicians will be prepared to stick their necks out and do the right thing in terms of voting against involving Article 50. Most are too self serving and thinking short term about their personal careers rather than about the long term good of the country.

redhat Tue 05-Jul-16 13:13:53

Therefore I'm not really feeling positive, no. I think we're stuck with this ridiculous decision which will hit many very hard and put us in a weaker position in the world for many years/decades to come.

Blue4ever Tue 05-Jul-16 13:20:10

Not positive no. A lot depends on who is our next unelected prime minister.

I feel particularly discussed by politicians refusing to declare that EU citizens currently resident in the UK will be able to stay here. That is really getting to me. Using people's lives as a political gambling game so openly is disgusting.

prettybird Tue 05-Jul-16 13:20:24


But I'm in Scotland. grin

shartsi Tue 05-Jul-16 13:26:51

The proposed TTIP deal that we loathe allows for corporations to takr the government to court if a decision affects their profits. This law firm is acting in the same way by taking this legal action. I think both leavers and remainers do not want TTIP in its proposed form, why would we support the actions of this law firm's anonymous clients.

Joysmum Tue 05-Jul-16 13:29:57

None of my remain friends are. They're all hoping for the next best thing (in their eyes at least) which is the same as I want, a Norway style free trade agreement.

Figmentofmyimagination Tue 05-Jul-16 13:39:06

No - I think they are going to screw us over completely.

Whatever the outcome of the Mishcon litigation, the politicians will vote in favour. I don't know why they are so cowardly, given the amount of lies that were told in order to obtain the desired result. I despise them.

If anything, the litigation will increase the certainty of Brexit, by making it bomb proof with an Act of Parliament.

In 10 years time, we will all be watching out for the report of Brexit - the Public Inquiry, much good will it do us.

What a complete fuck up. How can so many mistakes be made by one political party?

cingolimama Tue 05-Jul-16 13:53:50

I don't think it's an absolute certainly this will happen - that's about as hopeful as I get these days. However, I did write to my MP (as I urge you all to do) to say we shouldn't invoke Article 50.

The danger is that many Remainers are feeling so depressed and despairing that there's a sense of "oh well, that's that then, might as well get on with it". I think we should be fighting against this catastrophe. Sorry, but this is far too momentous a decision to be made with such a narrow win.

While the odds of a 2nd referendum at this point is low, I think once we know more details of what deal the EU will offer (and it won't be good for us at all), then there may be a movement for a re-think.

moonface1978 Tue 05-Jul-16 14:02:23

I am strongly remain, but they cannot back out of this without an electoral mandate. I don't want to be out of the EU but I even more strongly want to live in a democracy and they cannot ignore the outcome of this referendum (or find another sneaky back door way to nullify it) without shattering the democratic process in this country.

megletthesecond Tue 05-Jul-16 14:05:24

clee like Terminator 2 then. Superior to the original.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Tue 05-Jul-16 14:15:50

Mark Carney really is the only person I can think of that comes out of this absolute bloody fiasco with any dignity or integrity.

It's just unbelievable.

I don't have much hope for not leaving, and it's going to be bad.

cingolimama Tue 05-Jul-16 14:21:12

Moon, I see your point, but this referendum simply isn't part of a"democratic process". It was a ploy, first of all, by David Cameron to shut the Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party up, then it was a powerplay by Johnson (who we now know never intended to win that vote) in order to jockey for a leadership position.

Given all the lies told, given the incredible ugliness that's been exposed (amongst both camps), given that we have no leaders - I think we need to stop. And think and listen to each other. Perhaps rediscover a way to argue politics without tearing our country apart. This vicious campaign has prevented real discussion taking place about jobs, immigration, EU reform, security etc. I think rushing to accept this highly dubious "democratic mandate" would be foolish and very damaging to the country.

PurpleDaisies Tue 05-Jul-16 15:01:30

I think rushing to accept this highly dubious "democratic mandate" would be foolish and very damaging to the country

Would you still be of the same opinion if remain had won? I am gutted at the result. I don't see how we can possibly ignore it though.

cingolimama Tue 05-Jul-16 15:19:07

I've thought about this, and I think if the numbers were reversed there would be no immediate and massive economic and political fallout of the kind we're seeing right now.

But if, say, 48% of people wanted to Leave, then I think a serious (and I mean a serious, calm, measured and rational) debate and discussion should have started, looking at issues of Leavers concern.

But the two scenarios aren't comparable. One is a massive constitutional change which has negatively affected the UK and the world economy. The other scenario would allow change and reform, and yes, perhaps a split from the EU in the end.

TheDowagerCuntess Tue 05-Jul-16 15:31:25

Surely someone will stand in a General Election, and make it quite clear they have no intention of invoking Article 50. If they win, they will have a mandate.

Here's hoping.

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