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to ask you to sign this to stop likes of Boris and Farage lying through their teeth.

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Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:31:38

I want all these scums of earth brought to court next time they try and trick the British public into their false promises. Please. Sign this Mumsnet. please.

beetroot2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:33:18


Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:34:45

I have been reading your posts across threads beetroot. Pls sign this

Rumpelstiltskin143 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:35:45

Oh God another thread to hide.

TanTanNubuck Wed 29-Jun-16 00:36:21


Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:39:28

You don't believe they lied? Or do you not believe they should account for that?

GinBunny Wed 29-Jun-16 00:42:05

I've signed it Valentine. But perhaps you should ask for the thread to be moved to the appropriate place now, I think either Politics or EU Referedum. This won't end well in AIBU.

TanTanNubuck Wed 29-Jun-16 00:44:40


1)I didn't bother to go to the link, as you didn't bother to provide a clickable one.
2) Petitions should be in the Petitions board of MN. It's clearly written in the Talk Guidelines.
3) HQ have asked repeatedly for people to stop posting Referendum threads in AIBU and Chat. They've got enough to do dealing with nasty fuckers and trolls without having to keep moving threads too.

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:45:00

Thanks Gin

posting here for traffic. You think it will get more traffic there?

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:46:30

Oh damn. So sorry then. I will ask them to move it .
I have tried to post it twice but it's not working my. Pls copy and paste blush

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:49:16

Can anyone pls move this to the EU referendum section? I am so sorry for not realising you guys must be sick to death of this kind of threads now.
And of people who don't know if this is the correct way to request to move the thread blush

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 00:50:15

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 29-Jun-16 00:52:11

I've reported your last post to flag you would like the thread moved, op.

I'll sign, because I think all politicians should be legally obliged not to lie.

PortiaCastis Wed 29-Jun-16 00:57:10


Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 01:00:17

Thanks Ali
I feel they should be brought to court. After initial anger in Leave voters in general, I have now started to feel my anger is far better directed to the people who actually lied to get to this. They have the greater responsibility here and Farage trampled all over decency in the EU parliament today like nothing happened and like he has not deceived British public so blatantly. Boils my blood

JudyCoolibar Wed 29-Jun-16 01:05:48

So, beetroot, you're happy with politicians knowingly lying and misleading the electorate, then?

Are you Nigel Farage?

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 29-Jun-16 01:08:42

No chance of this lot seeing the inside of a court room whilst Tony Blair waltzes around free.

There are now odds on him becoming Labour leader again. They're long odds but even so, it is disturbing. I'd join the Labour purely to try to prevent that happening.

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 01:26:21

What worries me most is the following:
1. The Labour supporters of Leave areas were failed by their MPs! It's those MPs who did not report it to higher ranks of the party. It's these MPs who have basically failed and hence shouldn't be allowed to present their areas in parliament. And the arses then go in and ask Corbyn to resign? I can't understand the logic

2. At a time like this, I would give a lot to see some stability. Somewhere. Anywhere. How does the democratically voted Labour leader is the leading cause of Remain loosing? The focus is so terribly stupid that it looks deliberate.

So basically none of them ever wish to be held accountable and want a scapegoat. And of course none of them have a good solution so why not at least LOOK like they are doing something.

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 29-Jun-16 01:36:47

Agree with you on both points to an extent.

However I don't think it can be underestimated how badly Corbyn's lack lustre campaign and frankly sudden switch against character influenced the core Labour electorate. He has always been Eurosceptic, his failure to hang his hat for so long and then subsequent refusal to engage with the campaign he allegedly agreed with was massively damaging.

I like Corbyn, and until today would have voted for him in a GE. His stubbornness (no surprise given the causes he has backed throughout his career) coupled with the fact he has alienated working class people in Labour strongholds like the SW valley's is a very bad sign.

Johnson was never going to come in for any flack from the media. He is one of them after all, he is a journalist first and foremost. He has press backing in a way Corbyn could only dream of. Though, if Corbyn's public character is anything to go by, he positively relishes the unpopular position he stands in.

Valentine2 Wed 29-Jun-16 01:51:18

I agree with the part of your reasoning that he could have done more. I don't want to say it was the best he could do. It was not the best any of us could do and we all massively misjudged the sentiments in these neglected areas of this country.
But surely, it's primarily the job of the local MPs to report to party command that there is serious trouble ahead? The MPs are supposed to be the ones who understand what their constituents are thinking because they engage with them directly.
So how come it's the leadership that is the failure and has to go? I think BOTH leadership and MPs will be far more sensible than just the leadership ?

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 29-Jun-16 02:04:21

I could have advised anyone who cared to listen how the vote would have done in the poorest but highest EU funding areas of Wales. It wasn't unknowable.

Perhaps they all wanted an out vote? The only thing which stops me thinking so is the utter lack of plan. Somewhere a ball was dropped when the political elite played their most recent game.

MotherOfBleach Wed 29-Jun-16 02:10:32

^ could have advised anyone who cared to listen how the vote would have done in the poorest but highest EU funding areas of Wales. It wasn't unknowable.

Perhaps they all wanted an out vote? ^

I think they vastly overestimated the collective intelligence of the electorate.

They saw the utter bullshit Leave was spouting and thought all they had to do was sit back and watch the show, believing that 'we' would see through all the bullshit.

They expected massive support from regions that benefit greatly from EU funding and have little immigration, such as Sunderland, the rest of the NE and Wales, because what possible reasons do those areas have to vote for Leave? It would be economic and social suicide.

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 29-Jun-16 02:16:55

That's true too, the Remain campaign certainly had an element of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" to it. Only the Leave campaign did just that and spoke to thousands who feel disenfranchised.

saoirse31 Wed 29-Jun-16 02:28:01

Politicians lie op, not only the ones you blame for the result you do not like. Grow up. Take a civics class.

RortyCrankle Wed 29-Jun-16 02:46:57

No - it's pathetic.

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