Will there be a general election soon?

[Lottielo]

Is it likely that we will have another general election in the near future? Could one of the parties stand for remain and overturn ignore the referendum decision? If Art 50 has been invoked by that time, can it be reversed or is there no going back? Which party would be likely to stand for remain, the Conservatives and Labour are so divided at the moment, it is hard to know what they stand for.

[YourPerception]

Yes. I thought there would be about six months ago. It seems many though that was a daft idea at the time. What do I know I am not a graduate. I am too think to work these things out for myself. I can't research and I am easily fooled so my post and opinion are worthless like my leave vote.

[YourPerception]

Lib Dem and SNP are trying to make it about remain. I suspect Tory and Labour will ignore leave/remain.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

If a vote of no confidence were created that would create another mechanism for a general election.

[LurkingHusband]

Personally, I can't see how parliament can continue as it is. The reality of the UK leaving the EU was never put to the electorate, so it would be profoundly undemocratic for the current government to continue the Brexit negotiations without a complete mandate from the people.

I'm surprised that more Brexiters aren't pointing this out - they seemed such big fans of democracy.

The problem is that no-one in parliament really wants that (and the rest of the country can go fuck themselves when it's like that).

The second problem is however a new parliament is made up, we are going to have a situation where we know 16,000,000 views are being ignored.

The proper thing to have done, was for Cameron to have resigned immediately, and found a way (Fixed Term Parliaments Act notwithstanding) to have called for a General Election so that the new parliament has the full confidence and mandate to negotiate Brexit.

But democracy appears to be that rare beast - an irregular noun.

Perhaps part of the older generations support for Brexit was a form of displaced nostalgia. Maybe they miss 3 general elections a year ?

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

motion no confidence

[LurkingHusband]

Yes a vote of no confidence cannot pass without the Tories voting for it. They still hold the majority of the seats in the House of Commons.

just

[Lottielo]

I'm not convinced that 16 million people will support Brexit on the terms that now look likely to be agreed i.e. free movement of people continues.

[Lottielo]

Sorry...17 million

[LurkingHusband]

Not many PMs can say "I have a mandate to act given to me by 17 million people"

It's the same number that can say "I don't speak for half the electorate."

We are in uncharted waters. Maybe the last time the UK was so divided amongst the people was possibly the Reformation.

The fact some people will need to look up "The Reformation" speaks volumes about where we are .

[YourPerception]

I am sure had the remain voters won there would be disgruntled remainers after. Both sides lied.

[Lottielo]

Exactly YourPerception, both sides lied and we didn't really know what we were signing up to either way. Now that a clearer picture is beginning to emerge, I'm wondering how many people would change their vote.

[YourPerception]

Those in the grieving process may require the picking of bones to help them reach acceptance. In the mean time there is a need to deal with the result and be productive.

[LurkingHusband]

Those in the grieving process may require the picking of bones to help them reach acceptance. In the mean time there is a need to deal with the result and be productive.

The problem is that you can't square a circle. The events of the past few months have rent a void in UK society that will last beyond the memories of our great-grandchildren. Don't forget we live in a society where some people still refer to Campbells as traitors. When exactly was Culloden ? (And to underscore the ridiculousness of it all, that's founded on a myth to start with).

[YourPerception]

That's a society issue and individuals need to deal with their stuff.

[LurkingHusband]

That's a society issue and individuals need to deal with their stuff.

Great. And in other news, all we need to do to solve world poverty is make more money.

Not only is it difficult to "get over" such a fundamental difference (how do Creationists and sane people manage ?) it has to be done against a backdrop of myriad vested interests in stoking the fires of discontent.

[Mistigri]

Is it likely that we will have another general election in the near future?

Probably, although it has become harder to call or to force a mid term election than it used to be. I think the new PM will have to go to the country either via a GE or (God forbid) a new referendum in order to get support for whatever compromise they come up with.

Could one of the parties stand for remain and overturn ignore the referendum decision?

Yup, the referendum legislation wss deliberately worded to make the result purely advisory.

If Art 50 has been invoked by that time, can it be reversed or is there no going back?

Legal experts seem to think there is no going back, although of course no one has ever tested this in court.

Which party would be likely to stand for remain, the Conservatives and Labour are so divided at the moment, it is hard to know what they stand for.

The Lib Dems ;) The other two parties are two busy disappearing up their own backsides to be able to stand for anything right now. (I'm not a lib dem voter but so far this week they have been the -very - quiet voice of reason)

[BreakingDad77]

If Art 50 has been invoked by that time, can it be reversed or is there no going back?

Well they would let us reapply, after we left but we would lose the rebate and prob cost more.

Maybe with a lot of grovelling and maybe give up the rebate we could possibly ask them to cease the proceedings? EU gets to save face and walk away with more money. UK people will be furious though!

All the parties are imploding as they dont want to be the one that pull s the trigger.

What I worry about is that UKIP will get a massive boost as Boris continues to tout EEA with no change in freedom of movement.

[Lottielo]

Surely, if we asked to halt the process once Art 50 had been triggered, the EU would be happy to accept this. It would send a good message to other nations that might be thinking of leaving. They could also insist that we adopt the Euro (there's a thread on here saying that today the EU told the remaining states without the Euro that they will have to adopt it).

[Lottielo]

BreakingDad UKIP won't get a deal from the EU restricting freedom of movement, so what would they do?

[BreakingDad77]

Sorry lottie it was porrly written, what I mean was we have GE to decide who triggers article 50, with boris and possibly labour offering the free trade/movement path, people will be furious and go to UKIP who I get the impression wouldn't care, they would just put no through all the agreements with a very acrimonious break from EU. The vote gets diluted in general election so UKIP could sneak in possibly?

[LurkingHusband]

Surely, if we asked to halt the process once Art 50 had been triggered, the EU would be happy to accept this

Surely the present situation is a clear demonstration that making decisions now predicated on what you think other people should do is naive to say the least ?

Exhibit A:

Brexit: The UK will be able to informally discuss trade deals before Article 50 is invoked

EU: Non

As we are discovering (and there's a lot more to follow) all the things the Brexiters told us about what everyone else would "have" to do are losing their wheels.

[knittedslippersx2]

I bloody hope so. We need out of this mess. Solid parties with solid agendas and solid leaders. (Dear God, please not Boris!). And whoever has the policy of scrapping the Brexit can have my vote. Even if it's short term pain for long term gain.