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Mini Referendum, plan A or plan B?..New vote on the exact exit plan?

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booboobeedoo Mon 27-Jun-16 17:21:37

Plan A

1 - Do not trigger Article 50
2 - Negotiate exit package (I know, requires some flexibility from Europe)
3 - Have a new vote on exact exit plan.

Plan B

1 - Do not trigger Article 50
2 - Have a General Election. Each party has to put concrete proposals forward for what the next steps will be.

Which plan would best unite the country?


roverman75 Mon 27-Jun-16 17:26:14

Neither parliament this afternoon are honouring referendum results

ApocalypseSlough Mon 27-Jun-16 17:29:09

Hardly rover
It was very lukewarm.
booboo either would do imo, I favour Plan B because I don't believe referendums are a good way of dealing with complicated issues.

roverman75 Mon 27-Jun-16 17:32:07

It may only be lukewarm ,probably because they thought we would be staying ,but it's happening

booboobeedoo Mon 27-Jun-16 17:36:17

Hmm, but at least Plan A would be a bit more concrete (possibly less complex) e.g. we would control our borders, but it will cost X much in terms of trade.

Plan B is still uncertain in terms of promises being made, which then cannot be carried through.

peachpudding Mon 27-Jun-16 17:38:35

Neither, its undemocratic and would cause chaos.

tiggytape Mon 27-Jun-16 17:52:10

Merkle said no to plan A today.
She will not negotiate with GB until Article 50 is invoked.
Nothing will be discussed until then (and she is one of the leaders more sympathetic to us)

Plan B is only an option if the Conservatives agree. They hold so many seats that nobody could call it without them.
The new Conservative leader (who will automatically be PM) could signal to his (or her) party that he or she is happy for most of their MPs to trigger a vote of no confidence against them. Then they could agree to hold the election and all start campaigning on what sort of Brexit we want.

It may be possible to do it all this year - but it may not be possible to do it before Article 50 is invoked. The uncertainty of being half in half out (which is how the world now sees us) is crippling the country's finances. Investment, recruitment, value of sterling - everything is on hold or falling until people know what will happen. We cannot just let our economy rot for the next 6 months and neither of the two main parties are anywhere near even starting a General Election campaign. They'd need to:
1. sort themselves out with new leader(s) and appointments
2. regroup
3. form Brexit plans
4. explain them to the nation
5. campaign on them
6. have the General Election
7. Start possible coalition talks if no one party gets a majority

(these alone could take weeks if the SNP formed part of that coalition and wanted to significantly alter the Brexit terms that the biggest party won with)

8. bring in the new Government
9. make key EU appointments and then
10. invoke Article 50 to start negotiations in Europe.

Already some MEPs have tabled a motion for us to lose our EU commissioner immediately. The world moves on with this even if we don't. We get to dictate the pace a bit but only a bit. I don't know if there's time to have a proper election on what sort of exit we get and whether any party would stick to it if a coalition resulted.

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