Freedom of Movement - (Chill Zone)(60 Posts)
Boris has finally come out & said:
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU."
“British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.”
"The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."
He then said: “Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry."
I'm so confused, I voted Remain & I'm a big supporter of Freedom of Movement, is Boris saying we can still do everything we always could, but Europeans coming here will be subjected to more immigration controls? If he's not, as I doubt the EU will ever let us get away with that, then what is he saying?
I'm not trying to be a goady fucker, I'm genuinely baffled. I've seen some horrid posts throughout this weekend from both sides, so can we leave that out and just provide answers.
Yes he's saying that we'll get full access to the single market and freedom of movement for UK citizens but won't be subject to EU laws and will be able to implement a point based immigration system oh and hints that we can carry on receiving EU grants...
You know, because the EU will just agree to that...
WTF. I was hoping I was missing something. The EU have already made it clear that they're going to make an example of us, they're planning to rip us to shreds and this clown thinks they'll roll over for us, does he have a magic wand no one else knows about?
He doesn't want the leadership. He'll run because he bloody well has to after all this, but he's going to make sure that he doesn't actually have to clean up his own shit.
My theories are
1. He started drinking as soon as the results started coming in to stop the panic as he realised he was winning, hasn't stopped yet and has drawn up his plan on the back of a fag packet while still in s drunken haze where anything seems possible.
2. He's going to throw the leadership contest, leave Theresa May to not be able to deliver any of that, then after that step up for leadership all pretend heroic like.
3. He included that bit about no Scottish referendum because he knows it'll make anyone in Scotland who is unsure go and so they'll do something to manage to stop brexit but it won't be his fault.
Boris is a liar and a fantasist and he may well be our next prime minister.
The article is pure bullshit.
Tabulahrasa, Number 2 actually seems plausible to me, I never took Boris for an idiot, an opportunists certainly but the man never came across as stupid.
Boris is setting out the stall for EEA membership. If you read the full Telegraph exclusive, you can see he doesn't quite join the dots on the envisaged immigration policy. And starts things off with a big 'now most of us didn't vote on immigration'. Basically setting up a massive back pedal there, because no, the EU will never agree to access to the single market without freedom of movement. I'm not convinced he wants this job either. But he'll be voted for by the Tory party membership, not the general electorate. And I think many of them are thinking 'what damage limitation can we possibly reach' because they didn't want to leave the EU in the first place and now the markets are in freefall. So the issues that the average Joe voted on will go out of the window.
I agree with all the posts here. He basically had no plan for a Leave win. He belongs to a people who can never understand that the deprived areas could vote for Leave in such an overwhelming majority. I have friends in the City and it astonished me to hear them say there was absolutely no preparation there for a Plan Leave. Nope. Now that he has written this, I hope people actually see what he is. an opportunistic leech who will just stick to any cause so far as it takes him bit closer to the power he wants. AND his campaigns in front of those buses have massively misled the Leavers and fucked us all up consequently.
TremoloGreen, I don't really know much about the EEA, I'm under the impression that they don't get a vote on anything, but still pay & accept Freedom of Movement to access the single market, is that right?
So if that does happen, all we've done is downgrade our current agreement?
How are the Tories going to convince anyone that this is a good thing?
I think there are a lot of people who blindly hate the EU so much that they will accept anything as long as we are not officially members of the EU. I don't believe they have questioned much leading up to the vote and won't question much after it. They will just know that we are not in the EU and it will be good enough for them.
Another group of people are expecting loads of money for the NHS and no immigration. Hahaha. Not sure how they will react.
Another group think that we can shit all over the EU, get a trade deal with them that's better than our current situation, then dash around the world making loads of amazing deals with countries who are just queueing up to let us write our own terms...
I'm guessing whoever is in charge will obfuscate a lot while desperately attempting as much damage limitation as possible.
People are now being vocal about how their vote was a vote to send people home- will anything other than what they wanted shut them up? I doubt it, so think we're going to have to live with them continuing to be vocal about closing the borders and sending people home.
"Number 2 actually seems plausible to me, I never took Boris for an idiot, "
That was my serious theory - for starters I'm fairly sure he'd never use something as uncouth as a fag packet, he probably has stationary sets in a bureau...
I do think he didn't expect to win though and it was supposed to be what got him the leadership after David Cameron stood down at the next election.
He's a liar and he's frightened the next 48 hours will lead to anarchy.
Every time he opens his mouth...more bullshit...but even the Leavers have worked this out now.
BTW, GBP appears to be taking again.
In contrast, I'm quite sure our hard working heroes Nicola and Tim will be doing everything they can to save our nation today.
*tanking. As is becoming worthless scraps of paper
Does he truly think he knows what each EU member state will decide to do? Really? Sorry but he is talking bullsh@t!
Currently each EU member state has different laws concerning residency and work permits for non EU nationals. They are free to set these.
Not a single EU country has come out and said that they will have special rules for British nationals post am exit. No country has said how they will treat British nationals.
Sorry but these claims are either wishful thinking, blatant lies or he is bring delusional.
The phrase people like Dan Hannan and others are starting to use is "freedom of labour" rather than people. Which apparently means that EU citizens will still be able to work here but won't be able to vote.
Sounds like an excellent plan! Because all those voters weren't bothered about immigrants "taking all our jobs, our housing, bringing back the Plague" they were quite happy with the number of immigrants, they just didn't want them to vote for the Parish Council!
You couldn't make it up. Boris basically doesn't have a clue because he knows he can't achieve what he promised and that this might be too big a lie for even him to get away with.
I agree with option 2. EEA is probably what he's after. I wonder when he'll realise that countries on the EEA are subject to the ECJ and all the fun of Eu regulation as well as freedom of movement.
I.e we'll pay more, we'll have free movement and we'll have to comply with rules law without the veto. Jolly good show.
I also think the racist nut jobs who thought a plane would be collecting all foreign looking people on Friday morning will riot, and those riots will be put down in a way that makes Orgreave and the minors strike riots look like models of peace and diplomacy...
So he kept quiet until
he could make his views known via the Telegraph, who pay him lots...
Can somebody explain the differences between the freedom of movement for countries currently in the EEA, and in the EU? Are there any differences?
Freedom of movement is the same. There may be different rules about who is eligible for benefits, but currently EU immigrants take a small slice of the benefits pot and their net contribution is 20 billion. I don't think it's worth losing our voting rights for.
If the economy is poor, there will be naturally fewer immigrants, so I suppose that's one way immigration will be reduced.
So we will have all of the membership fees, free movement and have to comply with EU rules but we don't get a seat at the table or any of the benefits of a membership?
Pointless. I've been saying this to brexiters for 2 months and they have called me a fantasist
I think the difference between free movement of people versus free movement of labour is that for the second you would need to have a job offer move to the country. With an EEA country like Switzerland you still need to have a job and apply for a visa (so in that way immigration is controlled). But feel free to correct me.
Sorry to be clear you can move to Switzerland but need authorisation to work, and I think they may be able to limit the number of authorisations they give out.
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