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To think that the infighting following the Brexit .......

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girlinacoma Sun 26-Jun-16 08:59:40

Is going to cause far more harm then the vote itself?

The mudslinging, the accusations, families falling apart and no longer speaking.

It's happened, we're out. So what next?

Shall we all just sit here and weep and turn our hatred towards those that voted a different way?

We live in a great country and have so much to be proud of. Our amazingly diverse culture is often the envy of the rest of the world and the vote to leave will not change that, or at least it shouldn't if we don't let it.

Our every move is now being scrutinised by the rest of the world so can we please stop with the nastiness I'm looking at you remainers and focus our energies on coming together and moving forward?

CaptainCrunch Sun 26-Jun-16 09:01:43

We're not "out". The referendum result isn't binding and could turn out to be nothing but an expensive opinion poll.

scousesal Sun 26-Jun-16 09:02:55

Great post until you looked at remainers .

ApocalypseSlough Sun 26-Jun-16 09:04:43

It's worth being angsty now as there's a chance we could stay in. Once we're out, I agree, we'd just have to get on with it.

echt Sun 26-Jun-16 09:06:42

Coming together. Always the best way.

loonymoony Sun 26-Jun-16 09:10:47

can we please stop with the nastiness I'm looking at you remainers

A certain irony here.

lem73 Sun 26-Jun-16 09:13:38

Yes you're bang on. Leaving the EU is a fundamental change yet only a slight majority favouring it. If there was a strong public desire for it fine. But how can we move forward as a country when almost half the population are unhappy? Moreover we desperately need strong leadership from our politicians but both parties are busy in fighting. I despise David Caneron for disappearing at this crucial moment.

Saxie007 Sun 26-Jun-16 09:13:42

This isn't infighting. It panic about the political vacuum, lack of plan and destruction of our economy.

tiggytape Sun 26-Jun-16 09:14:05

YANBU - the infighting on both sides is dangerous and worrying.
Now is not the time for Cameron to throw his toys out of the pram, leave us with no leader who can enact anything and take his ball home. He took us into this - he has to see it through to a position resembling something (in medical terms) like critical but stable.

And now is not the time for the leader of the opposition to start tearing apart his own party leaving them so focused on each other they they cannot respond to EU events. We need a proper, united Labour party to be working on the task in hand.

With or without our input, the process of our exit is underway. Europe have no appetite to keep us now - none. Our limbo status is bad for their markets and our attempt to extend that for our own gains has infuriated them. They want us gone quickly and will have talks and start that process among themselves. That starts Tuesday in fact. They aren't sticking around to see if we're sure..like sure sure....really sure.

And no political party at all says they won't enact an exit. We will abide by the vote and GB will go. Of course millions are unhappy with the result. A straight yes/no answer often produces a nearly even split (as the Scottish Referendum did once and probably will do again) but it is one person, one vote and in that way a much fairer count than say First Past the Post where loads of votes don't count at all and yet the outcome still stands.

Remainer concerns will be discussed in Parliament where (probably) both sides will claim the other side were lying bastards (in nice Parliamentary language of course), regret the divide in the nation and call for us all to work together now in the future interests of Britain's new place in the world blah, blah. Many more things will also need to be discussed and that's why both main parties need to sort themselves out sharpish.

lem73 Sun 26-Jun-16 09:14:41

What is most damaging to our economy is the absence of strong leadership.

gamerwidow Sun 26-Jun-16 09:15:16

I think its fine for remain voters to kick up a fuss about the lies from the brexit campaign and the validity of the referendum. What isn't fine are personal attacks and name calling towards those who voted leave. I voted remain but I don't think all those who voted leave are idiot racists like some on the remain side.

echt Sun 26-Jun-16 09:18:48

What is most damaging to our economy is the absence of strong leadership.

Mr Corbyn has demonstrated this admirably, as the snake Benn has discovered.

legotits Sun 26-Jun-16 09:20:12

Made me think.....

Stop finger pointing........Steve grin

tiggytape Sun 26-Jun-16 09:23:01

Mr Corbyn has demonstrated this admirably, as the snake Benn has discovered.
But that's not strong. When you get to the stage of purging your own party, you are losing your grip on things and events.

LittleBearPad Sun 26-Jun-16 09:24:06

The Lib Dems have said they will campaign in the GE on a EU remaining/joining basis. They are tiny now admittedly but they are going to pick up a lot of protest votes from Tories on the left side of the party who won't support Boris and Gove and labour votes unless the leadership is sorted out. The SNP and Plaid Cymru plus the Greens will also be pro-EU in any election. So I ding think this is find by any means. It will be a massive issue in the next election.

stilllovingmysleep Sun 26-Jun-16 09:24:12

What you call 'infighting' is the direct result of a divisive referendum which should never have happened and which was the result of DC wish for gambling with the country and risking a disastrous outcome so that he could settle infighting amongst the Tory party and prevail. It all went badly wrong of course. I believe that that muppet Boris also was bluffing which I suspect will become apparent now. These public school boys had and have nothing to risk so can risk their expensive gambles. We cannot. Hence the anger and despair.

ocelot41 Sun 26-Jun-16 09:30:32

It hasn't been a week since one of the biggest political changes of our lifetime took place - its a bit early to be asking people to move on. Give them some space to grieve and be angry. I think there are also very important issues which need to be addressed relating to the quality of information which formed the basis of campaigning, and whether such a massive change should take place when there was such a narrow margin. You can't rush either of those arguments otherwise you don't be able to take people with you. Both major parties need to work out what they are going to do for leadership and we may now lose Scotland.

Then we need to work out what to do. But you can't gloss over this stuff - its huge. No wonder folks are taking a while to process it.

tiggytape Sun 26-Jun-16 09:35:29

It will be a massive issue in the next election.
Quite possibly but the next General election is 2020. Gone are the days of snap elections.

In theory, if the new Tory leader cannot command a majority then an election would result. But would the Tory party vote against their new leader in sufficient numbers to force an election to intentionally lose power and hand it to a newly formed Remain Coalition Party even assuming such a party could win in a first past the post system which is also highly doubtful?

It would be political suicide for a party to call a referendum, promise to abide by it and then plunge the country into intentional political chaos just to undo the result of the referendum they called in the first place.

InShockReally Sun 26-Jun-16 09:36:56

Yy Ocelot and StillLoving.

Lucked Sun 26-Jun-16 09:37:35

I'm was remain (Scotland) but I do think we need to steady the ship. Tbh I think the poll is futile and now people saying the result isn't binding when the time for that discussion was before the referendum.

I all strikes me like the stages of grief which include anger, denial and bargaining. In some respect. We need to let people have time.

What would be helpful is if Cameron and Corbyn would address these ideas quickly, hopefully tomorrow.

Justaskingnottelling Sun 26-Jun-16 09:40:43

Thanks Ocelot, what a brilliant post. Surely you don't have to be a remainer to see the sense in what you're saying. All those people saying get a grip, calm down and suck it up you're bad losers are just making it worse.

There will be time for coming to terms with it. But it's not now.

girlinacoma Sun 26-Jun-16 09:42:49

With or without our input, the process of our exit is underway. Europe have no appetite to keep us now - none.

Exactly, this is my point.

The exit will happen, it's already happening.

Moonax Sun 26-Jun-16 09:42:52

I'm absolutely against name-calling and finger pointing. The thing is done. However, it's not unreasonable for the Remain group to feel bereft, particularly when it was so close.

What I find a lot more worrying is the power vaccuum that seems to be developing in our government and the lack of any clear plan for anything. Presumably someone must have contemplated the idea that we might vote to leave? It really doesn't seem like that as you can practically see the tumbleweed rolling. That makes everyone uneasy and has made people (leave and remain alike) feel betrayed by their elected representatives.

It also leaves a gaping hole waiting to be filled by the next charismatic speaker to step up who seems to have a vestige of a plan. I admit to being pretty frightened.

There were excellent arugments to be made on both sides as well as a lot of extremely silly and dangerous ones. The whole campaign was toxic and has done enormous damage.

ApocalypseSlough Sun 26-Jun-16 09:44:08

gamer
I think its fine for remain voters to kick up a fuss about the lies from the brexit campaign and the validity of the referendum
Yes!

Balletblue Sun 26-Jun-16 09:44:09

If it were a general election and the side I wanted to win hadn't won I would feel disappointed, but there would be a chance to try again in another few years. There would be a plan going forward. There would not be anything irreversible about it as maybe the next elected government could moderate any damage. The population would know what was going to happen next.

I assume in the current scenario that all the leavers are happy. But half the population are not for a variety of reasons. My main concern is that we now have a country which has been irreversibly altered overnight to something that it has never been before. Hopefully those in charge will sort it all out eventually. But it is going to take a long time. My main frustration in the coming years will be that the pain of separation from the EU could have been so easily avoided.

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