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Nigel Farage wants a 2nd referendum....

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CarrieLouise25 Fri 24-Jun-16 16:00:28

Or he would have if remain had won 52/48...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017#ICID=sharebar_twitter

But as it's the other way around, then I should imagine it is finished business as opposed to unfinished.

CarrieLouise25 Fri 24-Jun-16 19:49:36

Let's help Farage get his wish of a 2nd referendum, as the results were too close...

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

170,000 signatures so far...

LondonTizz Fri 24-Jun-16 19:52:31

Signed!

imwithspud Fri 24-Jun-16 19:52:31

Well naturally. Leavers have made fun of the petition but they would have been calling it a fix if remain had won so tit for tat.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Fri 24-Jun-16 19:53:30

What a waste of time.

QueenLaBeefah Fri 24-Jun-16 19:56:05

Over 35 million voted. I don't like the result but that's democracy for you. The petition is embarrassing and futile.

CarrieLouise25 Fri 24-Jun-16 21:55:37

264,000 so far...

Batboobs Fri 24-Jun-16 21:56:18

The petition is a complete waste of time.

mountaintoclimb Fri 24-Jun-16 21:59:02

How many people are they hoping to sign? It would have to be about 50% of the population to have any credibility. It won't happen.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp Fri 24-Jun-16 21:59:56

It would have to be the 'best of 3' in the name of fairness!!

PreAdvent13610 Fri 24-Jun-16 22:00:30

Urrrmmmm like the damage is done.
The world can't afford for us to fart around and wipe another $2 trillion off the stock markets.

gunting Fri 24-Jun-16 22:02:30

I think the petition is pointless. The EU seem to have made it very clear that we have made our bed.

Although article 50 of the Lisbon treaty does clearly state that the result has to reflect 65% of the population of the country attempting to leave.

CarrieLouise25 Fri 24-Jun-16 22:12:42

If you think it's a waste of time, you don't have to sign it.

But for those that don't...keep on signing!

(although isn't coming on here saying it's a waste of time, a waste of time?! confused)

Bookaboo Fri 24-Jun-16 22:16:18

Although article 50 of the Lisbon treaty does clearly state that the result has to reflect 65% of the population of the country attempting to leave.

Unfortunately, I think the % relates to the council, rather than the votes in the referendum. That's the way I read it anyway.

TheNaze73 Sat 25-Jun-16 00:48:39

As Bremainer, obviously gutted but, embarrassed by the petition.

Do we keep having them until we get the right result?

CarrieLouise25 Sat 25-Jun-16 02:06:06

No. Only nigel said he would ask for a second ref if remain won 52/48.

Plus there seems to be many people regretting their leave vote.

No harm in it being debated. 16 million didn't want this.

If it were other way then leave would be gutted but it would show eu needs major reform and we could debate the issues on what people want.

Instead we've just left. And I've yet to hear anything decent apart from 'yay we've got our england back'.

Boris for PM and trump for president.

Yay.

Just5minswithDacre Sat 25-Jun-16 14:23:08

Silly.

Valentine2 Sat 25-Jun-16 14:28:45

Although article 50 of the Lisbon treaty does clearly state that the result has to reflect 65% of the population of the country attempting to leave.

Can you pls give me a reference? I am writing to my MP right now

gunting Sat 25-Jun-16 14:52:24

Valentine This is the information from the treaty. Article 238.
3. As from 1 November 2014 and subject to the provisions laid down in the Protocol on transitional provisions, in cases where, under the Treaties, not all the members of the Council participate in voting, a qualified majority shall be defined as follows:

(a) A qualified majority shall be defined as at least 55% of the members of the Council representing the participating Member States, comprising at least 65% of the population of these States.

A blocking minority must include at least the minimum number of Council members representing more than 35% of the population of the participating Member States, plus one member, failing which the qualified majority shall be deemed attained;

(b) By way of derogation from point (a), when the Council does not act on a proposal from the Commission or from the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, the qualified majority shall be defined as at least 72% of the members of the Council representing Member States comprising at least 65% of the population of these States.

Valentine2 Sat 25-Jun-16 15:02:43

gunting
Is that for the process of Leave or in general for all the decisions under EU? Sorry if it's a stupid thing to ask but I think it's article 50 that applies to this and I have read article 50 but it doesn't state you need to refer to article 238 for deciding how a majority in a Leave referendum will be decided?

WhatsGoingOnEh Sat 25-Jun-16 18:42:19

the qualified majority shall be defined as at least 72% of the members of the Council representing Member States comprising at least 65% of the population of these States

The 65% is the population of the total EU members. The population of each EU state added together. I think? Not of one country.

The EU used to require unanimous votes from all 28 27 states, but it took forever. So they invented the "qualified majority", which weights a state's importance due to the number of people in its country.

I think.

It's nothing to do with the U.K. population or the referendum turn out.

WhatsGoingOnEh Sat 25-Jun-16 18:43:07

I might have just made that all up! Let me just double check...

WhatsGoingOnEh Sat 25-Jun-16 18:44:59

Yes, that was pretty much right. This link explains Qualified Majority properly:

eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glossary/qualified_majority.html

But in short, we're still fucked.

Muddlingthroughtoo Sat 25-Jun-16 18:46:01

Farage was more than welcome to ask for another one, it also would have been a bit pathetic. How many do we have to have? Best of three? Best of five? Paper Scissors Stone?

scaryteacher Sat 25-Jun-16 18:49:44

If it were other way then leave would be gutted but it would show eu needs major reform and we could debate the issues on what people want. The EU has needed major reform for some time as Rutte and Cameron have been trying to point out. If they weren't willing to reform when the UK was threatening to leave, and have as a consequence, carried through on that, why on earth do you think they would have reformed if we'd voted to remain? They would have seen a remain vote as validation, and just carried on as before.

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