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Turkish EU membership talks start June the 30th!

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BritBrit Wed 22-Jun-16 13:03:35

David Cameron must really think British voters are stupid, talks for Turkey to join the EU begin on June the 30th as John Major who is on the remain side says they could join in the next 10 years

RedToothBrush Wed 22-Jun-16 13:18:52

The talks have been going on for decades. They have closed and opened talks repeatedly.

But good try.

Photosythesis Wed 22-Jun-16 13:24:05

They are essentially being humoured by the EU because we need favours from them in recent times. Turkey knows full well how much opposition there is to them joining across the EU.

Some may have seen the Chief Advisor to President Erdogan of Turkey on Newsnight yesterday. They are very disillusioned now that their only real supporter turns out to have been humouring them along. It's not like Cameron will be PM for much longer anyway.

We do want Turkey to Westernise, and we need favours from them from time to time, so it makes sense from our own interests to encourage them, but they are going backwards in their EU ambitions under Erdogan at the moment on so many issues like human rights, treatment of minorities, press freedom, corruption and so on. In 10 years they've managed to achieve the science and research chapter - 1 out of the 35 conditions for membership and in most areas they've not even made a start.

Any EU country can veto them joining if they ever get close, with Greece and Cyprus some obvious candidates to do so, and France and Austria would have a referendum on it. I'm not sure anyone is really keen in Europe for them to join. Even within Turkey support for joining has declined.

If by some miracle they do join it will be decades away and 7 years transitional immigration controls on top of that. We may well have had another referendum by then. Turkey would also be a very different country if they achieve membership.

IamSlavetotheEU Wed 22-Jun-16 13:42:15

Its not the talks that are important but the circumstances around those talks.

We know ( those of us who keep abreast of events that is ) that the EU is very much on the back foot when it comes to Turkey because the situation in Syria has exploded because of a whole load of other variables too.

Just take a look at almost any event in history, things change all the time. This being one of the most ironic and and famous of course.

""Peace for our time" is a phrase, spoken on 30 September 1938 by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in his speech concerning the Munich Agreement and the Anglo-German Declaration.[1] The phrase echoed Benjamin Disraeli, who, upon returning from the Congress of Berlin in 1878, stated, "I have returned from Germany with peace for our time". It is primarily remembered for its ironic value: less than a year after the agreement, Hitler's continued aggression and his invasion of Poland was followed by declarations of war on Germany by France and the United Kingdom.

You know, just before the most hideous all encompassing world war II.

How can any of you be so certain of things?

RedToothBrush Wed 22-Jun-16 13:43:54

I'd like to know which European countries are enthusiastic about Turkey joining. Name one, where both the government and public are cheering them on.

And which are likely to go 'Oh hang on a second', baring in mind that new members need unanimous approval.

IamSlavetotheEU Wed 22-Jun-16 13:44:35

photo that may be the situation now, what would it take for that situation to change? Because its already changed hasn't it. Before the refugee crisis Turkey was much further away from ascension wasn't it?

IamSlavetotheEU Wed 22-Jun-16 13:46:23

Desperate times, measures? Why are we all even in talks with Turkey? If it wasn't for Syria we probably wouldn't be and would be happily batting them away...

RedToothBrush Wed 22-Jun-16 13:52:47

Allowing in Turkey wouldn't solve the perceived problem though.

The issue is domestic unhappiest about the number of migrants across Europe. Allowing Turkey in to the EU would be seen as more of the same rather than solving the issue.

Given how much of Europe is already unhappy, it would be seen as throwing petrol onto the fire of discontent.

Every EU leader can see this. So whilst they have to try and keep Turkey happy (and the UK hasn't been helping this) they don't have much to give in return without making the situation worse at home. And what they can give does not include allowing membership to the EU any time soon.

AgnetaTheViking Wed 22-Jun-16 13:55:37

Even if every other EU country wanted them to join tomorrow they still couldn't join unless the UK agreed to it. Every existing country has the power to veto a new country. It's how France kept the UK out for so long.

PlatoTheGreat Wed 22-Jun-16 13:56:34

Well any state can put their veto to the entry of another state. That's why Britain was first refuse entry to the EU.
If it stays k bathe EU, then it will be able to use its veto for it.
Of course, if the uk isn't in the wY anymore, they will have no power at all as to what happens.

PlatoTheGreat Wed 22-Jun-16 13:57:53

X post. Obviously agreeing there!

That also means the uk was happy gir the Eastern countries to join the EU. It wasn't forced on us.

smallfox1980 Wed 22-Jun-16 14:05:30

The UK was happy for the eastern European Countries to join Governments of both hues helped smooth it following the fall of the communist block.

RedToothBrush Wed 22-Jun-16 14:09:29

Yeah and look how well that one's panning out for EU harmony...

Its' don't rock the boat time' for a good long while yet.

smallfox1980 Wed 22-Jun-16 14:12:54

Ah yes of course the accession of the Eastern states has been a disaster and millions upon millions of Eastern Europeans are here sponging off the jolly good British tax payer.

Vrijeme Wed 22-Jun-16 14:15:08

Speaking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr (Douglas) Alexander said it was vital that the talks began. He said integrating Turkey into the EU "would help us tackle many of the most difficult problems that we face in the modern world, whether that is international crime, drug smuggling, terrorism or migration".

- 2005

Was he right??

bacimamma Wed 22-Jun-16 14:19:51

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we can't have that. Turks? Run for your lives.

smallfox1980 Wed 22-Jun-16 14:30:09

Weirdly there seem to be a lot of Turks in my area already!

PlatoTheGreat Wed 22-Jun-16 14:37:34

Then you'd better stay in the EU to stop it!

But it's not possible to make the EU responsible forcthe influx of immigrants from eastern countries when the UK has agreed to it.
If you want to have a go at someone, look at whatever British government was there at the time.
Ie this is a British responsibility there, not an EU one.

Alfieisnoisy Wed 22-Jun-16 14:38:48

Thanks OP...but the Leave campaign isn't about immigration is it....oh wait.

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