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If you didn't vote UKIP at the last election...

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herethereandeverywhere Mon 20-Jun-16 00:00:27

...but you are going to vote LEAVE; why?

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 20-Jun-16 07:01:56

Because the Conservatives had promised a referendum in their manifesto.

TheoriginalLEM Mon 20-Jun-16 07:07:21

yes and bloody disgrace it is too! The referendum should never have happened. D C should resign but the alternative bears no thinking about. It's divisive and cost the economy ££££already. If we leave we are fucked.

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely Mon 20-Jun-16 07:07:22


The vast majority of people voting leave won't have voted ukip. I want to leave the EU, but UKIP's other policies are abhorrent to me.

TheoriginalLEM Mon 20-Jun-16 07:08:16

Democracy? like the house of lords you mean???

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely Mon 20-Jun-16 07:41:22

What does the house of Lords have to do with it? We're not voting on that. Should I support all undemocratic institutions because the house of Lords exists?

Limer Mon 20-Jun-16 07:44:41

Because the EU is a busted flush that's going to break apart before long anyway, better for the UK to be first out rather than clinging onto the wreckage.

Reform from within is already a proven failure, 40+ years of membership and we've just been dragged deeper and deeper into the whole sorry mess. We need to cut our losses.

Alfieisnoisy Mon 20-Jun-16 07:45:16

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TheoriginalLEM Mon 20-Jun-16 07:46:48

Limer - that is one of the issues that does concern me to be fair

TrojanWhore Mon 20-Jun-16 07:52:18

I think you are seeing lots of people having a view on this, which may or may not map to their usual party line.

It might be the main issue for UKIP, but that doesn't apply the other way round IYSWIM

I think it is extremely naive to equate 'Leave' with any one party.

MephistophelesApprentice Mon 20-Jun-16 07:54:17

I agree with Limer.

The geopolitical climate is changing. The EU sheltered under the US security umbrella and was able to pretend that global issues could be resolved with soft-power alone. The increase in nationalist sentiment and international tension is global and the institutions designed to ameliorate it are failing to do so. The EU is just one particularly weak regional example of these institutions. When it collapses, any connected nation state is going to be pulled into a morass far worse than Brexit might produce.

CoolforKittyCats Mon 20-Jun-16 07:57:56

I know many voting Leave. None voted UKIP. A large number Labour party members.

This isn't party political.

The whole campaign has divided the country down the middle.

The Farage poster was disgraceful.

The new Remain poster is awful and completely divisive.

Both sides campaigns have engaged in gutter politics.

WordGetsAround Mon 20-Jun-16 07:58:25

The EU has had its day. We've got to think global and getting out now is the best thing we can do for our future.

Surferjet Mon 20-Jun-16 07:58:26

yes and bloody disgrace it is too! The referendum should never have happened

shock are you being serious? - it's what people wanted! ( & I thought I didn't know much about politics )

WordGetsAround Mon 20-Jun-16 07:59:33

(Didn't vote UKIP, but Hoped t conservatives would keep their manifesto promise this time and give us a referendum.)

HSMMaCM Mon 20-Jun-16 08:11:47

It is not a party political vote although we know which way most ukip voters will vote. Not all conservatives are voting remain. Some are voting for democracy and this may well have an impact on the powers of the House of Lords in future. Some are voting to remain, because they have plans to live and work around Europe. Everyone has their own reasons.

Winterbiscuit Mon 20-Jun-16 10:15:39

UKIP are a minority party (12.6 per cent of the vote last general election, giving them 1 MP who incidentally isn't Farage). I certainly didn't vote for them.

I'm on the Leave side for democracy, making our laws in the UK, an accountable government which has an opposition and who we can vote out, and because I prefer to the UK to independent from a political union and its future aims that I don't support.

0phelia Mon 20-Jun-16 10:21:55

If when Remain wins I will probably start voting Ukip. The EU problem is not going away quietly.

Battleborn Mon 20-Jun-16 10:22:47

I voted labour like I usually do.

And I'm voting LEAVE on Thursday.

chantico Mon 20-Jun-16 11:45:26

UKIP are the 3rd most voted-for party in UK.

And if seats went by share of the vote, and Labour had MPs on the same share/seat ration, they would have 3.

First past the post throws up all sorts of weirdities, and the temptation to dismiss the third place party is one of them.

Pinkheart5915 Mon 20-Jun-16 11:52:50

I didn't vote UKIP, I don't like ukip but I will be voting leave Thursday

Are you trying to imply anyone voting leave is a ukip supporter ?? confused

shitchef Mon 20-Jun-16 12:11:45

I voted Tory for the first time at the last election just to get a referendum (and I suspect a lot of people did locally because the majority for our very eurosceptic Tory MP rocketed). Haven't got a clue who I'd vote for next time. I think Jeremy Corbyn would quickly bankrupt the country but I can't imagine ever voting for David Cameron or George Osborne again. Perhaps it's time for more independant candidates to stand?

Patapouf Mon 20-Jun-16 12:24:31

What Lem said

Democracy is overrated, and I cannot fathom why anyone thought it would be a good idea to let the British public vote on such an important matter. Yes, there are lots of politically engaged, informed and intelligent people voting both ways but there are a lot of single issue focussed idiots who have a vote too.
Isn't the whole point of having elected representatives that we entrust decision making to them?
I'm sick of the whole bloody thing. Didn't vote UKIP (and won't be voting Leave)

As for the PP who said the 'EU issue won't go away quietly' you clearly don't give a shit about democracy then. If Britain votes to stay I'm afraid you'll have to suck it up.

RitchyBestingFace Mon 20-Jun-16 12:30:41

UK voters had the opportunity to change the first past the post system 5 years ago. They didn't by a considerable majority.

Redlocks28 Mon 20-Jun-16 12:35:49

i know many voting Leave. None voted UKIP. A large number Labour party members.

Yes, I agree. I'm a labour voter and will be voting leave as will my lifelong Tory voting parents/in laws.

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