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Camerons negotiation denied by European Court..

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Spinflight Tue 14-Jun-16 09:29:48

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36526158

Still breaking news but..

'Challenge to UK's right to deny some EU migrants child benefit and child tax credits rejected by European judges'

A4Document Tue 14-Jun-16 09:38:16

The way I'm reading it is that there was a challenge to the withholding benefits, but the court says it is OK after all?

The withholding of benefits is an unwise move from Cameron. Once people are in our country I think they should be treated with respect. I don't think withholding benefits will deter people from coming to the UK as they'll just stick it out until they do get benefits. I want to Leave the EU for democracy, and a fair country which doesn't condemn people to poverty. So Cameron is wrong if he thinks that's an incentive for the "leave" side to switch to "remain".

Chalalala Tue 14-Jun-16 09:38:28

I think you need to read the article because it doesn't say what you think it does.

it's the challenge to Cameron's deal that was denied

The European Court of Justice said it was lawful for the UK to withhold benefits to migrants if they did not have the right to reside in the UK.

lavenderdoilly Tue 14-Jun-16 09:40:42

I think it means the UK can deny benefits to certain eu migrants. The European Commission challenged Cameron ' s position. And lost.

BluePitchFork Tue 14-Jun-16 09:43:33

wrong wag round.
camerons negotiations were challenges and upheld

Mistigri Tue 14-Jun-16 09:56:53

LOL at this thread.

The ECJ has ruled in Cameron's favour - it's legal to deny child benefits and tax credits to claimants who do not have the "right to reside" ie do not meet the criteria for free movement.

nearlyhellokitty Tue 14-Jun-16 10:08:16

LOL at spinflight

A4Document Tue 14-Jun-16 10:12:25

Anyone can make a mistake Spinflight, it could have been any of us on either side smile cake I enjoy reading your posts so keep up the good work!

nearlyhellokitty Tue 14-Jun-16 10:12:56

spinflight just provided the exact definition of 'confirmation bias'

Mistigri Tue 14-Jun-16 13:16:15

It will be interesting to see if this error (which I am sure was a genuine "read to fast and with my brexit glasses on" error, rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead) ever gets acknowledged by the OP.

BluePitchFork Tue 14-Jun-16 13:49:01

hopefully the headline is less misleading in the daily fail other newspapers...

unexpsoc Tue 14-Jun-16 13:58:48

Ha. Haha. Hahaha.

Fantastic. Case of posting before reading.

"Fuck you and your facts - I DEMAND to be outraged!"

Chalalala Tue 14-Jun-16 14:20:21

in fairness it's a pretty convoluted headline, I can see how it would happen.

but it's still pretty funny

GiddyOnZackHunt Tue 14-Jun-16 14:25:58

It is interesting that the Commission were challenging the position that Cameron sold to the UK as a done deal though. Obviously the Commission aren't happy and the timing of the challenge is pretty poor.

unexpsoc Tue 14-Jun-16 14:42:42

Yeah - what a system where the commission can challenge individual countries if they think they are acting like prats. Can't imagine that is ever useful.

BritBrit Tue 14-Jun-16 17:41:59

This EU court decision concerned a residency test they ruled the UK could use a test to stop EU immigrants claiming child benefits for kids abroad if 1-they were unemployed & 2- they did not have the right to work in the UK

That is the problem, EU immigrants do have a right to work in the UK so the test will stop hardly any EU immigrant claiming child benefit for kids abroad, the latest figures said it cost the UK £31 million to kids abroad a year

marblestatue Tue 14-Jun-16 18:55:33

It is interesting that the Commission were challenging the position that Cameron sold to the UK as a done deal though.

Yes a lot of people seem to believe the small changes he negotiated were guaranteed! "But of course we won't have to do X, Cameron's deal exempts us" hmm

nearlyhellokitty Tue 14-Jun-16 22:21:23

britbrit so if these pesky EU migrants are working, how much would they be contributing in tax?

Spinflight Tue 14-Jun-16 22:50:41

blush

Erm...

My only defence is that the story had little but the headline and 'breaking news' when I posted it.

That I was somewhat hasty is a given I think!

Chalalala Wed 15-Jun-16 07:31:05

happens, spinflight

morning coffee? brew

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