UK set to get another 7 million immigrants

(49 Posts)
BritBrit Mon 13-Jun-16 07:14:29

Latest report says the UK is set to get another 7 million immigrants if we stay in the EU. My question to remain supporters is what are your plans to cope with this.

-Will we ever be able to limit EU immigration whilst in the EU?
- What is the maximum population the country can cope with?
-Where will all the money come from for their benefits/NHS/schools/housing etc?
-How can we plan public services if we have no idea how many people are coming into the country each year?
-Where will we build housing as we are already the most crowded nation in the EU & building on our greenbelt?

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/679200/Time-leave-Britain-receive-seven-million-immigrants-2035-report-reveals

Branleuse Mon 13-Jun-16 07:15:34

OH NOES.

Branleuse Mon 13-Jun-16 07:15:55

will they be swarthy of skin and shifty looking??

WidowWadman Mon 13-Jun-16 07:18:53

Xenophobic hate mongering

ILoveMyMonkey Mon 13-Jun-16 07:19:44

Brit I agree with you. I hate how any mention of the word immigration suddenly turns into a race row. It's about time people accepted that we live on a small island that is bursting at the seans and doesn't have the infrastructure in place to cope.

ILoveMyMonkey Mon 13-Jun-16 07:20:09

* seams not seans

SeasonalVag Mon 13-Jun-16 07:20:41

There's nothing hate mongering about asking logistical questions.

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 07:22:35

You seem to think the 7m figure is correct and factual despite being published in a very unreliable source.

Mirandawest Mon 13-Jun-16 07:23:35

Have had a quick read of the article you linked to. Is up to 5 million immigrants by 2035 increased to 7 million if non EU immigrants taken into consideration. The way you've put it sounds like they will all appear next week.

saffynool Mon 13-Jun-16 07:28:15

Oh, The Express? That unimpeachably reliable source of unbiased fact?

Don't make me laugh.

Lweji Mon 13-Jun-16 07:29:05

we are already the most crowded nation in the EU

Actually, 3rd place behind the Netherlands and Belgium.
Both in the 300s per km2 and the UK in the 200s.
And I'm leaving Malta out, which actually is a tiny island, unlike the UK, which stretches for 2 islands and not that small.

And I don't think it can be predicted how many people will go in the next 20 years and they're not considering the ones leaving.

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 07:30:54

Michael Gove and Boris Johnson don't want an NHS (they have made that clear previously) so I am more concerned about what will happen to the NHS if we leave the EU.

I saw a picture taken at an anti immigration protest in Scotland the other day, a young man was holding a placard which read "you keep saying that the EU migrants with their degrees are coming here to take your jobs when all you have is a standard grade in PE and an STD". Pretty much summed it up for me!

InMySpareTime Mon 13-Jun-16 07:32:46

-Will we ever be able to limit EU immigration whilst in the EU?
It will limit itself. It's migration by the way, people flow from country to country based on where the work is.
We could, by that logic, prevent Brits retiring to Spain, but then they'd be a drain on our economy rather than on Spain's!
- What is the maximum population the country can cope with?
A lot more than it has now, especially as a lot of our house builders are migrants.
-Where will all the money come from for their benefits/NHS/schools/housing etc?
Perhaps from the taxes paid by the economic migrants? Migrants are less likely than UK nationals to claim benefits or use social housing.
-How can we plan public services if we have no idea how many people are coming into the country each year?
Shall we also ask people to predict when they might have children? Migrants are more likely to move to places where there is available work/schooling/healthcare as they are less tied to specific areas than UK nationals are.
-Where will we build housing as we are already the most crowded nation in the EU & building on our greenbelt?
Erm, anywhere north of SE England? We aren't the most crowded nation in the EU, and lots of housing stock even in the SE is empty anyway.

Georgina1975 Mon 13-Jun-16 07:44:44

"You keep saying that the EU migrants with their degrees are coming here to take your jobs when all you have is a standard grade in PE and an STD".

I REALLY despise this sort of rhetoric on both sides. You don't agree with me therefore you are stupid (and/or if it's "remain" then add racist into the mix). I don't think belittling people is the best way to win votes - quite the opposite.

Anyway: increasing population numbers IS a problem. It is especially difficult if it occurs in spikes (i.e) large numbers over a relatively short period of time. Many LAs struggle to adjust and stay on top of resource provision.

I think REMAIN would really help their cause if they addressed the reality of local issues caused by EU immigration more directly. A net economic benefit to the COUNTRY is no help to a struggling LA that is having to provide more services with far less money. This is esp. true of the Tories who, I expect, have used this "net benefit" to meet ideologically driven (small government, low tax) aim of paying down national debt as quickly as possible.

Lweji Mon 13-Jun-16 07:49:39

All the immigration doesn't seem to have harmed the UK economy.
Migrants arrive already with their degrees, straight into work, having cost nothing to the UK in schooling, but ready to pay taxes.
The UK is relying on foreign help to keep the NHS staffed at cost 0 to the UK in training.

Georgina1975 Mon 13-Jun-16 08:00:11

Anywhere north of SE England?

Perhaps. But former industrial centres in particular do need A LOT more money to help adjust.

My City (high unemployment) had about 30% Council Tax and 70% Local Government grant. The grant has been cut to the bone. We've experienced heavy EU migration because it's so cheap to live here. But there hasn't been an increase in jobs to generate extra CT income required (and lift the economy generally).

So, yes, many people have a racist agenda re: immigration. But for a lot of people it is also the fact that they are not seeing the economic benefits of immigration - the opposite has happened.

I am pretty sure Labour said something about extra funding for struggling LAs. This needs to be communicated more strongly.

kittybiscuits Mon 13-Jun-16 08:01:00

Are you sure you don't mean 7 billion?

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 08:13:08

"I REALLY despise this sort of rhetoric on both sides. You don't agree with me therefore you are stupid (and/or if it's "remain" then add racist into the mix). I don't think belittling people is the best way to win votes - quite the opposite"

It's down to life experience. A lot of the people I know IRL who complain about migrants taking their jobs have never worked a day in their lives and blame this on migration rather than the reality that they didn't finish school and have never tried to get work / refuse to work for not much more than they can get in benefits. It sadly isn't limited to current times either. After the winders people complained that foreigners had taken all the jobs when in reality recruitment firms went out to the West Indies and begged people to come here and work as the people here didn't want many of the available jobs.
I am thankful that we have eu migrants here because they keep our hospitals ticking over (doctors, nurses, cleaners), they keep our nursing homes ticking over, they do jobs that quite frankly some British people don't want to do / are unable to do.

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 08:14:07

Winders = windrush (autocorrect)

Kelandry Mon 13-Jun-16 08:18:43

I think it's still your leaders duty to give you priority even if you don't have a degree. Not just abandon you to the rubbish heap while shipping in workers.

Lweji Mon 13-Jun-16 08:20:50

People should get jobs without degrees even if a degree is required?

Millyonthefloss Mon 13-Jun-16 08:30:39

Let's have a voice of reason here.

Frank Field, Labour MP, and a man of absolute integrity currently dealing with the BHS scandal:

"Britain can't tackle mass immigration unless we leave the European Union. A most crucial issue here is the impact of uncontrolled immigration on our most disadvantaged citizens.

It is the poorest in our communities whose standard of living is most adversely affected by the arrival of a record number of newcomers."

Georgina1975 Mon 13-Jun-16 08:30:47

The idea that EU migrants are all professionals is as ludicrous as claiming that they are all out of work benefit claimants.

There is a strong regional/local difference in how EU migration has been experienced. Professionals obviously go to an area with jobs, but also consider quality of life factors. Relatively poor post-industrial cities are not often top of the list. You tend to get unskilled workers concentrated in areas of high socio-economic deprivation. And, in the absence of commensurate funding from Central government, the resource challenges have increased massively. Local councillors on all sides are clear about this. Some of these people may be racist, but their issues regarding EU immigration are more complex than this labelling suggests

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 08:32:14

I would rather be treated by a migrant doctor with suitable qualifications than a native British person without qualifications who has been given the job because he is British.

Iamnotloobrushphobic Mon 13-Jun-16 08:34:56

Eu migrants who come here with poor job prospects and don't find work don't have any right to claim benefits and get housing. It's just bloody bullshit that people like to believe.

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