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Anyone else daring to get a bit excited now

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Millyonthefloss Fri 10-Jun-16 05:23:12

I am starting to allow myself to get excited about a better, fairer future for our country.

Dennis Skinner and John Mann of Labour coming out for Brexit.

And a letter from the JCB Chairman on the BBC website.

The letter he said he was "very confident that we can stand on our own two feet".
He also said that more than 53% of all UK exports go to non-EU nations.
In response, the Remain side said firms including Airbus and BMW, had already written to their staff to put the benefits of staying in the EU.

Lord Bamford told his employees that the referendum's outcome "will determine the future of our country" with a "lasting impact on the lives of our children and grandchildren".

Lovely principled men.

Millyonthefloss Fri 10-Jun-16 05:48:00

I guess the Bookies are still predicting Remain though.

Limer Fri 10-Jun-16 07:49:13

Bookies are often wrong, they aren't really in the business of predicting outcomes, they're in the business of making money from gullible punters. grin The odds are more a reflection of the bets that have been placed, rather than the likelihood of the actual result.

I'm starting to get excited too, the sea-change in people's opinion of the EU is very clear. The tide has turned against the EU now.

BritBrit Fri 10-Jun-16 08:39:44

the aim of bookies is to make money, they are probably slightly more accurate than polls but not always right Brexit keeps changing between 2/1-3/1 which is not very high at all, the Tories were 8/1 to get a majority last year

Figmentofmyimagination Fri 10-Jun-16 08:44:19

I expect a few hedge funds will be very excited. There must be huge short term gains to be made from an economic shock on this scale.

Spinflight Fri 10-Jun-16 14:35:33

Then why have Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan given millions to the remain campaign?

Yes I'm getting excited, especially watching the woeful performances of the remain side in the TV debates.

Winterbiscuit Fri 10-Jun-16 14:41:31

I don't feel excited yet, no, just apprehensive in a hopeful but "don't count your chickens" kind of way.

Millyonthefloss Fri 10-Jun-16 19:26:16

That's very wise of you Winter.

RosesareSublime Fri 10-Jun-16 20:54:13

I dare to say it but YES I am excited, I dare to dream and dare to hope ( tentative smile) smile

This weeks debates have been over whelmingly strong on the leave side.

We desperately need to see more of Frank Fields and Andrea Leadsom.

Those two could leave us out without any quibbles. JCB also needs to get message out there and weatherspoons.

Millyonthefloss Fri 10-Jun-16 23:41:46

I'm just so sick of thinking about things like the squilions they waste moving their blinking Parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg all the time. There are people up and down the country getting their hard earned tax money pinched to pay for that nonsense. It would just be so amazing not to have to think about it ever again. But I still think Remain will win because there are so many scare stories still flying around.

Millyonthefloss Fri 10-Jun-16 23:43:11

Yes to Jcb and Wetherspoons and Dyson.

80sMum Fri 10-Jun-16 23:50:42

Has it not occurred to you though that there might be some truth in those "scare stories"? Can they really all be wrong?

Elmersnewfriend Fri 10-Jun-16 23:53:41

FFS, you are holding up Wetherspoons , that notoriously shite employer as worthy of endorsement?

Limer Sat 11-Jun-16 11:25:40

I'm getting even more excited now. Bremain is on the back foot. Attempting to defend the indefensible, desperation starting to show.

I was in my local Wetherspoons this morning for breakfast. Everyone in there's a Leave voter.

Borogoves Sat 11-Jun-16 11:34:17

Not excited at all. If we leave it will be a disaster. We will still be tied to the EU and forced to adopt their regulations if we want to trade but will no longer have a voice or be able to influence policy.

GhostofFrankGrimes Sat 11-Jun-16 11:38:30

Well they say you get the government you deserve. Perhaps with Brexit we will learn the hard way as well. If people are willing to bet their house on the unknown so be it.

therootoftheroot Sat 11-Jun-16 11:40:28

if we leave we taking the power that thet europe has and handing it all on a plate to cameron and his cronies.
We will be royally FUCKED.

PumpkinPies38 Sat 11-Jun-16 11:59:39

I'm starting to get a bit excited at the prospect of leaving. More independent control, controlled immigration, less money being wasted and lost in the EU. Here's hoping.

disappoint15 Sat 11-Jun-16 12:10:11

I think this referendum illustrates more clearly than ever Churchill's point about the limitations of democracy.

The Remain arguments are principally backed up by facts, reasoned arguments from experts in particular areas and sense. The Leave campaign is a hotchpotch of emotion, appeal to nostalgia, demagogery and Union Jack waving.

Using lots of phrases like 'democratic rights' and 'sovereignty' makes people feel all warm and fuzzy. Never mind that the MEPs are elected by proportional representation. Never mind that our unelected monarch and House of Lords continue to operate (in fact, let's have street parties to celebrate inherited power!) Never mind that that the UK is a founding member of the EU and part of policy making, not actually being bullied or bossed around. Oh, and this is the same UK that is going to be so powerful alone but can't hold its own in Europe - yeah, that's credible...

disappoint15 Sat 11-Jun-16 12:13:37

And at the last referendum we couldn't even get the enfranchised to vote for a fairer system of democracy in this Queen of Democracies, so we're stuck with the current government voted in by approximately 35% of those who actually voted and 25% of the electorate.

Limer Sat 11-Jun-16 12:15:23

No country can hold its own in the EU because there are 27 others to be considered. If what suits the EU doesn't suit the UK - tough shit, we have to put up with it. Which is what those democratic rights are all about, let's leave the EU and take those rights back.

GhostofFrankGrimes Sat 11-Jun-16 12:21:46

Limer - care to elaborate on what "taking back rights" means? Who will execute these rights? Who will define those rights? Johnson? Farage? Cameron? The House of Lords?

disappoint15 Sat 11-Jun-16 12:22:36

But it's the same in any democracy. If we elect a government on 25% of the electorate lots of individual members of the democracy have to live with laws and decision they don't like. I didn't vote for this administration but I have to put up with the results of the democratic process.

Brokenbiscuit Sat 11-Jun-16 12:22:50

Not excited, no, but I'm starting to get very scared.

disappoint15 Sat 11-Jun-16 12:24:56

Yes, exactly, 'taking back rights' is another Flag Waving phrase that means very little. Nobody is exactly explaining either why what is good for so many others in the EU is so bad for the UK.

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