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France shuns Europe as Brexit revolt spreads

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claig Wed 08-Jun-16 01:54:07

'France shuns Europe as Brexit revolt spreads
France has turned even more viscerally eurosceptic than Britain over recent months, profoundly altering the political geography of Europe and making it impossible to judge how Paris might respond to Brexit.

An intractable economic crisis has been eating away at the legitimacy of the French governing elites for much of this decade. This has now combined with a collapse in the credibility of the government, and mounting anger over immigration.

A pan-European survey by the Pew Research Center released today found that 61pc of French voters have an “unfavourable” view, compared to 48pc in the UK.
“It is a protest against the elites,” said Professor Brigitte Granville, a French economist at Queen Mary University of London. “There are 5000 people in charge of everything in France. They are all linked by school and marriage, and they are tight.”
“The EU policy elites are in panic. If the British vote to leave the shock will be so ghastly that they will finally wake up and realize that they can no longer ignore demands for democratic reform,” he said.

“They may have to dissolve the EU as it is and try to reinvent it, both in order to bring the Brits back and because they fear that the whole political order will be swept away unless they do,” he said."

Utter panic. The revolr of the people against the crooked elites is spreading everywhere, including America.

'they fear that the whole political order will be swept away unless they do'

Can they stop it? Will they ask Cameron to help them by telling them not to be "quitters and to fight for their values"?

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 01:59:39

If we vote to leave, the French socialist political class will be finished and so will be our entire bunch of servants in the Green party, Labour party and Tory Remainers. An earthquake is nothing on the political shakeip that will result as the people lose trust in the servants of the elite.

Just5minswithDacre Wed 08-Jun-16 02:02:09

I was wondering where you'd got to claig smile

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:04:47

Haven't been on this topic much. grin A bit boring, everyone already knows what to do and which way to vote. The Etablishment are wheeling out their servants and the people are ignoring them and are putting Brexit ahead in the polls.

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 02:11:19

I read Westminster plan to find ways out of leaving the EU. I am shocked so many want to leave.

Just5minswithDacre Wed 08-Jun-16 02:19:27

everyone already knows what to do and which way to vote.


It's certainly close.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:22:05

I am listening to Trump live making a speech. Truly stunning and explains what is happening in Europe and with Brexit and with France next. Trumps says the system is rigged and the election in the US is about who runs the country, the special interests or the people, the American people.

It is the same here. the elites, the special interests are in a battle against the people over Brexit and next it will be France.

“We are in a very dangerous phase. The French elites are extremely scared of what could happen in France if there is a Brexit,” she said.

The revolt comes comes as Paris battles a wave of protest against labour reform, a push that has come close to rupturing the Socialist Party. The measures were rammed through by decree to avoid a vote."

The crooked elites are on the way out. Trump is teh harbinger and what happens in America will happen here. Brexit is just the first brick out of the wall. Even if we lose, the EU is mortally wounded as the people have stood up and said no, and it won't be able to survive what then happens in France.

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 02:25:01

This bunch of crooked elites may be out, to be replaced by other crooked elites. I don't understand your Trump love.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:26:30

"Mr Merritt said it is an error to suppose that the EU would carry on as a monolithic bloc able to dictate terms after a Brexit vote. “The British would have pricked the bubble. The Germans are deeply alarmed at how suddenly the mood is shifting everywhere,” he said."

Joshua fit the Battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down.

Just5minswithDacre Wed 08-Jun-16 02:29:41

Oh cripes claig. Don't start connecting Brexit with that vile Trump person. Farage/Brexit conflation is bad enough.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:32:01

Sing it Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

The elite can't stop the people.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:42:09

'This bunch of crooked elites may be out, to be replaced by other crooked elites. I don't understand your Trump love.'

No, we have to always remain positive and hopeful. What comes next will be better than what was. Trump is the force that will end the elite crookedness, he is terrifying them in America and all across the world.

"The Germans are deeply alarmed at how suddenly the mood is shifting everywhere,” he said."

It is a global revolution, the people are democratically defeating the elites and something better will come of it. More democracy, more accountability and less crookedness, lies and spin.

We are living in historic times.

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 02:44:50

Trump is terrifying because he's a sociopath.

I agree historical times indeed.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:49:36

howtorebuild, you should know from listening to the BBC and our media over Brexit that they scaremonger and lie because they are scared of how the people will vote and they have to serve their masters. They fear Trump even more, so they fearmonger even more. But none of it is true.

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 02:50:47

Did you hear what his ex wife had to say about him?

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 02:52:17

No, which ex-wife and what did she say?

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 03:01:07

Just5minswithDacre Wed 08-Jun-16 03:02:26

Are historical times the same as "interesting times"? grin

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 03:05:46

Yes that was the Channel 4 Matt Frei documentary. That came up during her divorce but she later said it was not true.

claig Wed 08-Jun-16 03:07:30

howtorebuild, what till you hear about the Clintons. Trump has just said that he will make a major speech all about what has been going on with the Clintons, probably next Monday. It will be earth shattering.

howtorebuild Wed 08-Jun-16 03:09:19

Saunders is the better candidate. Hillary is female and has similar policies to Obama.

toadworthy Wed 08-Jun-16 15:14:05

Merde! When the French turn against ruling elites things can get quite slicy.

Winterbiscuit Wed 08-Jun-16 19:40:40

Interesting to hear that in France there is so much discontent with the EU. Seems it's not just Madame "Frexit" Le Pen, any more than our referendum is only Farage.

RosesareSublime Wed 08-Jun-16 19:54:24

It is interesting but not surprising is it after the Bataclan attacks.

Holland made the grave announcement " our borders are closed" at the very time the attackers were flitting through and back and froth to Brussels.

Mistigri Wed 08-Jun-16 20:37:59

You might learn a bit more about French politics by reading the French press rather than the Daily Telegraph ...

There is some interesting, and rather dishonest, snipping in Claig's OP which makes it read as if all the quotes are from one person, which they are not, unless Brigitte has had a sex change.

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