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Nigel Farage-staying in the EU risks more sex attacks

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BritBrit Sun 05-Jun-16 19:50:21

Nigel Farage says the sex attacks we have had across Europe by immigrants most notably in Cologne could happen in the UK.

Does he have a point? The EU have no idea who they have let into Europe or where they are. We have also had illegal immigrants sneaking into the UK we don't keep track of. More importantly other EU nations are able to issue their own passports which would give immigrants the right to enter the UK if we are in the EU, what power do we have to control the passport office of other EU nations?

news.sky.com/story/1707208/farage-staying-in-eu-risks-more-sex-attacks

AStreetcarNamedBob Sun 05-Jun-16 19:52:58

Have a google about the sex attacks happening in Sweden. It's absolutely terrifying.

Millyonthefloss Sun 05-Jun-16 19:54:31

I hate to say it but he does have a point.

I have a teenage daughter. In five, ten, fifteen years time, I want her to be as safe in UK cities as I was at her age.

I was in Paris with her last winter and we did feel harassed to be honest. It's become quite sleazy and threatening.

Patapouf Sun 05-Jun-16 19:55:32

No he's not right.
We can prevent any EU national who is a threat to public policy, public health or public security from staying in the UK. that is the law.

HTH

BritBrit Sun 05-Jun-16 20:07:05

But patapouf how would you know if they are a threat. The EU doesn't even know who they have let in let alone if they have criminal records, what their views are, if they are dangerous, how can you tell? It is possible an ISIS fighter or other person could pose as a refugee & eventually get citizenship. There have already been attacks on women in many nations

Millyonthefloss Sun 05-Jun-16 20:09:04

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/swedish-police-accused-cover-up-sex-attacks-refugees-festival

STIDW Sun 05-Jun-16 21:37:31

Nigel Farage is just using the Cologne sex attacks for his own political ends & other Brexiters would do well to distance themselves from his remarks.

Most perpetrators of rape are known to their victim & if he (& 7 other UKIP MEPs) were genuinely concerned about violence against women they would not have opposed the EU resolution calling on member states to create their own law banning marital rape. If UKIP MEPs voted against the resolution simply because of their opposition to the EU why did they simply avoid voting altogether – as they have done many other times?

IAmTheWhoreOfBabylon Sun 05-Jun-16 21:42:51

I think he does have a point and I want to stay in!
Governments have played right into his hands by not addressing this issue and the lack of reporting
That men are moving into Europe from very different cultures needs address
Germany needs to sort it's own laws out. I was shocked to discover that groping is not an offence

Mooingcow Sun 05-Jun-16 21:52:15

Yes I think he has a point.

The perpetrators of the NYE attacks in Cologne and other Eurooean cities, along with several other mass sex attacks, have yet to be identified and arrested.

They will, in all probability, be eligible for German citizenship, and therefore able to enter the UK on EU passports.

As a woman, I'd prefer not to be exposed to the possibility of sexual abuse by groups of men who believe that's a game to surround a woman and sexually abuse her en masse, especially given the denial, press blackouts, minimising (by 'feminists') and scoffing calls of 'racist' by so-called EU women's rights groups that followed the appalling events in Cologne.

He will be pilloried by the regressive left, Orwell-style, for daring to point out that a culture clash makes our women vulnerable.

I'm completely uninterested in anything that neo-liberals have to say on this subject. Women's rights have vanished in the face of their jibbering terror at being called a racist.

Millyonthefloss Sun 05-Jun-16 22:01:24

I agree with you Mooingcow.

Did anyone see these two British girls interviewed on the Victoria Derbyshire show about being assaulted in Paris on NYE.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03fgm65

Of course we don't want to demonise refugees but for God's sake let's not pretend this stuff isn't happening. It's important.

AnnaForbes Mon 06-Jun-16 00:32:07

Farage does make a very good point but he is being silenced just as the events in Cologne were hushed up and the rape explosion in Sweden, minimised or denied. For instance, the ethnic origin of the assailant is not reported, in Germany, the police were told not to use the word "rape" in the reports following NYE.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-police-ordered-to-remove-word-rape-from-reports-into-new-year-s-eve-sexual-assaults-a6972471.html

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

14000 children were raped in the UK by Asian men and they were allowed to do this on such a scale because of the police and social services collusion. They failed to tackle the mass rape of children for fear of being called racist or causing offence ffs. It seems the rights and safety or women and children are expendable. Uncomfortable truths need to be tackled head on even when it is inconvenient.

There are 9 or 10 threads on the In the News section about this. 10,000 posts expressing concerns for women's safety following NYE in cologne. I say good for Nigel Farage for talking about it when most others wont.

bakeoffcake Mon 06-Jun-16 00:45:13

I think it's very important to talk about what's happened. And to make sure it isn't covered up and minimised.

The message needs to be put across that these crimes are NOT acceptable and attackers will be jailed and then deported. Covering the crimes up won't achieve this and attackers will think they can get away with it.

nearlyhellokitty Mon 06-Jun-16 00:55:40

please remember the point that STIDW made - UKIP voted against a resolution on marital rape.

nothing should be covered up or minimised.

at the same time, I cannot believe this is part of the EU referendum debate. Farage is definitely appealing to some of the worst sides of 'project fear' - again a man that voted against a resolution on marital rape!

The UK is not going to be forced to sit back and let hordes of marauding men rape their daughters.

Leaving the EU on the other hand will likely crush job prospects for your current teenagers - they are the Leave sacrificial lambs.

AnnaForbes Mon 06-Jun-16 01:07:59

Funny that Kitty because with 3 out of every 4 new jobs going to migrants, I'd say being in the EU is crushing job prospects.

UK is not going to be forced to sit back and let hordes of marauding men rape their daughters. Unnecessarily hyperbolic language. Read the Cologne threads to get an idea of how many women here on MN are worried about this issue. I've linked to the last two, There are 8 more. Each with 1000 posts, please dont minimise.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2565953-Cologne-Sexual-Assaults-IX-and-David-Davies-Web-Chat

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2565952-Sex-Attacks-in-Cologne-and-other-European-Cities-Part-IX

Mooingcow Mon 06-Jun-16 06:54:20

The UK is not going to be forced to sit back and let hordes of marauding men rape their daughters

This is the kind of patronising, smirking, dismissive language I'm talking about.

I'm sure none of the parents of the Swedes, Germans, Austrians and Finns - kids of four to a woman in her 70s - (links on threads mentioned above) 'sat back.'

Pretending a culture clash doesn't exist because it makes you feel uncomfortable is what allowed the appalling rapes and grooming in Rotherham to flourish for so long.

lavenderdoilly Mon 06-Jun-16 07:02:43

Which is why Farage is not part of the official campaign.

Clangersarepink Mon 06-Jun-16 07:14:50

Possibly he has a point, but:

Introducing European attitudes to countries like Turkey will hopefully see a huge reduction in sex attacks on women in those countries over the years.

The biggest problem in the UK is the misogynistic approach to women held by the police and the legal system. Is this misogyny going to get any better in a Tory-led, independent Britain? Seems unlikely to me, it'll get worse if anything.

This is another case of "yes, things may not be ideal, but is it sensible to think voting Leave will make it any better overall?"

lavenderdoilly Mon 06-Jun-16 08:07:42

Allowing the organised gangs to continue in places like Rotherham says more about our rubbish attitude to vulnerable children. The men when did it were British as far as I know.

AnnaForbes Mon 06-Jun-16 08:46:00

but is it sensible to think voting Leave will make it any better overall I think it will. The European Commission want to force all members to take a much greater share of migrants. Most of these migrants are men from the MENA region. Attacks on women will undoubtedly increase substantiallyif we remain.

nearlyhellokitty Mon 06-Jun-16 08:51:23

I guess my point was not about minimising people's concerns - I live somewhere which has many of the issues you're referring to. BUT that voting to Leave the EU will not help this particular problem. For a start, one likely outcome will be to remain a part of the EEA like Norway, which would entail free movement. Plus issues like this are linked to many other more complex problems including how the police deal with rape etc.

Still no answer as to why nigel loves to jump on this stuff and ignore marital rape? Could it be that he is just blowing whatever whistle he thinks suits him?

AnnaForbes - where do your figures come from? on the job issue, however, I do believe you're wrong. There is absolutely no doubt that leaving the EU will cause uncertainty - the question is for how long and with what impact. Many on the remain side (and 9/10 economists!) believe that this will be a severe economic shock, on the leave side it's understood to be a problem but they downplay the longer term impacts . The point is that for the current generation who are about to get into the workplace if we leave there can be no doubt that there will be problems linked to this uncertainty (job losses, lack of investment, hiatus while the UK has to renegotiate everything - likely to take 5 years minimum), the question is which generation will take the hit and act as the collateral damage for Leave. Is it just a few years - ie your 18 year old now or for 10 years or more - so your 10 year old now...

AnnaForbes Mon 06-Jun-16 08:53:54

Lavender, they were largely British born Pakistanis but I think when it comes to attitudes to women, cultural background can have more significance than their place of birth.

nearlyhellokitty Mon 06-Jun-16 08:55:36

AnnaForbes - "the European Commission want to force all members to take a much greater share of migrants. Most of these migrants are men from the MENA region. Attacks on women will undoubtedly increase substantiallyif we remain."

I'm pretty shocked by your statement above. For a start, the Commission is talking about refugees, and many of which are families - and this is the relocation that the UK Government prefers since they can screen and select the people rather than dealing with people moving themselves. No words for the second part of the statement. And Leave call remainers 'project fear'!!

MrsBlackthorn Mon 06-Jun-16 09:00:45

This sort of thing is just designed to whip up anti-immigrant sentiment. The sex attacks had nothing to do with the EU; those responsible may or may not have been refugees. As such they could come to Germany regardless, under the UNCHR.

And indeed by removing refugee controls as Calais - as we have as part of an EU agreement - we potentially have MORE refugees coming here. Leaving the EU is absolutely nothing to do with this issue, but it's being used by unsavoury characters like Farage to make people scared.

I'm astounded, frankly, that sensible women would throw away jobs, growth and money in their pockets today and for the next decade because of a vague, unspecified and frankly ludicrous threat that dirty foreigners will come here and rape you.

AugustaFinkNottle Mon 06-Jun-16 09:06:13

It does make me laugh when pro-exit people make a fuss about so-called scaremongering by the Remain camp when they are prepared to use silly arguments like this. MrsBlackthorn is absolutely right, the attacks that have happened are not to do with the EU, and leaving certainly isn't going to mean that magically we have no more immigration.

But at least it's a measure of the desperation that Farage is exhibiting that he feels the need to resort to this sort of nonsense.

MrsBlackthorn Mon 06-Jun-16 09:25:27

The Leave side aren't being honest with people about what comes next.

On the one hand, they claim we'll suffer no economic damage if we leave. Yet on the other they say they will slash immigration.

It is simply not possible to do both of these things if we leave. If we vote out, we'll need to agree new trade deals. We won't have a strong hand, so these will be exactly the same as we have now - ie with free movement - or potentially worse (free movement with no transitional controls for accession countries). This is the case for Norway and Sweden, which have higher immigration than us.

Or we could put our national foot down and insist on no free movement - and get no or extremely restrictive trade terms. That means people losing jobs, and a lower tax take from employment and export, so less tax money for schools and hospitals.

Leave are quite simply lying when they say they can deliver both. It's not logically possible. We can have one or the other.

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