306 business figures back Vote Leave in letter to Telegraph

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Winterbiscuit Mon 16-May-16 15:10:20

306 business figures are supporting Vote Leave in a letter to the Telegraph.

Britain’s competitiveness is undermined by a failing EU

"It is business – not government – which generates wealth for the Treasury and jobs for our communities. Outside the EU, British business will be free to grow faster, expand into new markets and create more jobs. It’s time to vote leave and take back control."

BrexitentialCrisis Mon 16-May-16 15:13:11

See, that's good. But then someone from Remain will be along in a minute to say this is all wrong and that the opposite is true. And I will still feel like confused
Have never been more confused about anything I've ever had to vote for before. It's getting worse not better! It feels like we are just having to go with our gut instinct about which people to believe.

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 15:40:15

Not exactly major businesses are they? Certainy not of the magnitude of the ones below:

uk.businessinsider.com/ftse-bosses-business-leaders-pro-eu-letter-times-brexit-2016-2

Funny that the CBI and IOD have also said that the majority of their members have backed remaining too.

Sorry, but I'm also going to say look where it is published, the Telegraph, who owns the telegraph? Why is it in their vested interest to leave?

Winterbiscuit Mon 16-May-16 15:43:59

It's interesting to see the difference between the large corporations and establishment, and what so many other companies are saying here.

HouseOfBiscuits Mon 16-May-16 15:46:23

Actually Lurked there are quite a few Telegraph articles giving the other side's views too. I'm sure you can find them easily.

Radiatorvalves Mon 16-May-16 15:47:04

I am not overly impressed by any politician on the subject, and a bunch of business owners, none of which I have heard of, who want to leave isn't going to impact me one way or another. However, Christine Lagarde and Mark Carney I do take seriously.

I'm REMAINING in Europe.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 16-May-16 15:49:13

If course the smaller businesses want to leave. It's a no brainer.

I hope my x helps them.

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 16:13:05

It certainly won't help them. When the economic downturn hits it will be he smaller ones that go first.

Radiatorvalves Mon 16-May-16 16:17:14

I am not overly impressed by any politician on the subject, and a bunch of business owners, none of which I have heard of, who want to leave isn't going to impact me one way or another. However, Christine Lagarde and Mark Carney I do take seriously.

I'm REMAINING in Europe.

Radiatorvalves Mon 16-May-16 16:18:01

oops. Sorry for double post.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 16-May-16 16:35:05

There will be no escaping an economic downturn whether we are in the EU or not.
I think most small businesses would rather have the chance to weather it outside the eu, rather than being shackled to an unwieldy, unsympathetic Union.

SocialDisaster Mon 16-May-16 16:38:53

The whole EU is heading for a downturn, I agree things aren't great.

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 16:53:08

The majority of small firms back remaining:

www.cityam.com/240873/small-businesses-dont-back-brexit-they-gain-too-much-from-our-eu-membership

www.cityam.com/235543/eu-referendum-six-in-10-small-business-owners-would-vote-for-the-uk-to-stay-in-the-eu-while-17-per-cent-back-brexit-according-to-new-moore-stephens-pol

There may be an economic downturn without a brexit vote, but there will certainly be one with a brexit vote. One which will take longer to recover from and as shown above 60 % of BCC small busiensses back remaining whilst only 17% are for a brexit vote.

The CBI confirmed similar data staying the 77% of SMEs were pro EU and for remaining. The IOD have said that the majority of their memebers would like to reamin too. They do back some reform too, but then there is scope for reform within the EU ( Cameron's deals are an example).

I'm sorry but the exit camp don't have this argument either, the vast majority of businesses in the UK would prefer to remain,

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 16-May-16 16:56:07

I'll have a look at the lonks later.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 16-May-16 16:56:22

Links grin

WindPowerRanger Mon 16-May-16 17:40:53

It's not one size fits all. And that's something all our debates on Europe since 1973 usually fail to acknowledge. There will be winners and losers if we stay in, and winners and losers if we leave.

Maybe small to medium businesses will do better outside the EU, and large multi-nationals will do better remaining in it. In the same way that professionals have been either less affected or advantaged, while people doing manual trades or unskilled work have had it harder.

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 19:19:43

The studies show that immigration hasn't effected wages, or employment.

You can say " what I see" all you like, what you see isn't the bigger picture the studies are.

SpringingIntoAction Mon 16-May-16 19:41:38

The studies show that immigration hasn't effected wages, or employment

Correction: some studies conducted, during a specific timeframe, by publicly funded organisations whose donors include the EU, have, on their chosen narrow criteria decided that within a particular demographic of immigrants, some were a net drain on the taxpayers but that was offset by other migrants - which is quite remarkable as latest Government figures on Nu numbers suggest that immigration has been greatly underestimated and runs at thousands more than originally thought .

SpringingIntoAction Mon 16-May-16 19:42:47

CBI would have had us join the Euro - claimed the country would fail without it.

scaryteacher Mon 16-May-16 19:45:51

Radiatorvalves Lagarde has been so right about everything else in the past hasn't she? I wouldn't trust the woman an inch...nor do I rate Carney, he's Goldman Sachs.

Lagarde is about what's best for the EU, as she wants Junckers job when he goes, as she is not likely now to get elected President of France.

SpringingIntoAction Mon 16-May-16 19:52:51

However, Christine Lagarde and Mark Carney I do take seriously.

They are 2 people I would not take seriously at all.

Carney - ex-employee of Goldman Sachs that fudged Greek's entry into the Euro and the same Goldman Sachs that is now backing the REMAIN campaign. Carnet was appointed by Osborne and will probably be knighted by Cameron.

Lagarde - who is facing prosecution for 'negligence' in respect of hundred of £M and whose forecasts have been pretty suspect and whose appointment was backed by Osborne after the possible prosecution news - she must be very grateful for that backing:

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financial-crime/12056620/IMF-head-Christine-Lagarde-ordered-to-face-trial-over-Bernard-Tapie-scandal.html

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/19/christine-lagarde-appointed-for-second-term-as-imf-boss

www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/15/imfs-christine-lagarde-says-brexit-would-be-bad-very-bad-slightly-missing-the-point/#1b62f42e5853

But it serves it's purpose to try to con people that the IMF and BoE are fins-upstanding exemplars to base your decision on - some people tend to dig deeper.

They are all in this together.

Winterbiscuit Mon 16-May-16 20:35:21

The IMF has received 168,138 euros from the European Commission since 2007, and George Osborne is a voting member of the IMF Board of Governors.

And Christine Lagarde? She has confirmed the IMF will release a report warning against a leave vote just one week before the referendum, despite this being during the 28 day "purdah" period, during which public authorities are banned from publishing referendum-related material.

EU-funded IMF being used to bully the British people

Priti Patel MP said:

"The IMF warned Britain it was playing with fire when it set out a plan to deal with the deficit. Now our economy is stronger than nearly every other major economy.

"Today, the IMF is talking down Britain because we want to take back control from Brussels. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

"The EU-funded IMF should not interfere in our democratic debate a week before polling day.

"It appears the Chancellor is cashing in favours to Ms Lagarde in order to encourage the IMF to bully the British people - it is a sign of the desperation in the In campaign."

Winterbiscuit Mon 16-May-16 21:17:05

Iain Duncan Smith: 'Mark Carney has breached his obligations'

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 21:19:19

This is funny, you question everything then quoute IDS?

Words fail me , utterly. So does your argument.

lurked101 Mon 16-May-16 21:21:35

What about the BCC springing? What about the IOD?

The CIB might have been wrong about the Euro, but the BOE weren't but you question them. In fact anything that doesn't back your point, of which there is very little, you question. Then when you find something that does you start crowing, laughable.

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