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if you RECYCLE your stuff ...........watch itv1 now........shocking

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RTKangaMummy Mon 08-Sep-08 20:09:02

it ends up in INDIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RTKangaMummy Mon 08-Sep-08 20:10:40

A rubbish service: Tonight, Mon 8 Sept, ITV1, 8pm
Published: Monday, 8 September 2008, 11:54AM
A Tonight investigation is to reveal for the first time that waste originally collected for recycling by four British local authorities is being dumped on Indian farmland near the migration path of wild elephants.

Following our investigation, the Local Government Association has called for a clear, accountable and transparent system so residents will continue to have confidence in the system and continue to recycle more.

It has written to every council leader in England and Wales to stress the importance of having detailed information about where recycled items are sold.

Following a tip-off that British waste was being buried in farmland wells, Tonight reporter Mark Jordan travelled to the state of Tamil Nadu and found waste including British newspapers DATED FROM THIS JANUARY, food packaging from Tesco, plastic bags from Mothercare and even a St George's flag.

After digging down four feet with a JCB at one well site, Tonight discovered a hidden mountain of British waste including Walkers crisps bags, Sainsbury's apple juice, children's report cards and newspapers such as The Telegraph. It is estimated that the well could be up to 30 feet deep.

Tonight tracked down supposedly recycled mail found at one Indian dump addressed to residents living in Tendring, Wellingborough and Wakefield District Councils and Leicestershire County Council.

Locals claim that they have found ten illegal dumping sites full of both American and British waste and that this has been going on for at least four years.

When presented with our evidence, the Environment Agency, which is tasked with policing these matters, said it would investigate further and take action if appropriate.

All four authorities collect recyclables intermingled in either one or two bins then send them to a sorting facility which will sell them on to be recycled in factories or mills.

All four authorities said they worked with licensed UK contractors. However, they added that they were concerned by our findings and where appropriate would investigate further.

Councillor Paul Bettison, of the Local Government Association, says: "If you had confronted me with a piece of my mail that I knew I had recycled and you just.. photographed it in India I would be pretty let down.

"And I .. would worry about whether I should continue recycling my mail but I would say to the owner of that piece of mail do continue.. and in the meantime your local authority will do its bit to make sure that that sort of thing doesn't happen again."

Last week it said that some companies refuse to tell councils where they sell recyclable material because of commercial confidentiality.

The LGA has written to the Environment Agency urging it to pressure these firms to be more transparent.

Confronted with a receipt for CDs he purchased, Geoff Moore of Essex says that he thought the item he put in his bin would end up in a recycling plant in Colchester. An astounded Geoff says: "If it's being dumped in India instead of dumped here.. what's the reason? Why .. why, what is green in that? I would think that the people in this street to hear that -- would think to themselves 'Why bother, why bother?' Do the council know that's what's happening to it? Do they care that's what's happening to it?"

The discovery in India is particularly worrying considering that a Tonight survey will also show that 46 local authorities HAVE NO IDEA what happens to their household collections of recyclable waste after it is sent to their contracted sorting facilities.

The programme contrasts this situation with local authorities' crackdown on residents for breaking rubbish collection rules in the name of protecting the environment.

According to the Environment Agency, Britain exports between 12 and 14 million tonnes of waste a year to be recycled in third world countries. The majority of these exports are legal and above board.

However, it is illegal to do so unless the waste has been properly divided into paper, metals, plastics and glass before it leaves the country.

The Environment Agency, who has charged nine companies in recent years for sending unsorted waste abroad, told Tonight: "We don't believe containers of mixed waste are going out now. Having said that there is no room for complacency, if we want to recycle more then we are really dependent on these international markets and it's incumbent on all of us to make sure that what we are throwing away and then what is subsequently exported is of the right standard and is wanted by the receiving countries, otherwise basically we set back UK recycling many, many decades."

Our evidence suggests that UK waste is not always being sorted before being sent for recycling. Ron Humphreys, whose company Abitibi Bowater runs one of the UK's largest paper recycling plants, says that he receives bales of supposedly sorted paper from household kerbside collections that is full of plastic bottles, cardboard boxes and other non-paper items.

The bales are totally useless to him as they would break his machines so he sells them on as unrecycled waste to UK brokers.

Humphreys says that this unrecycled waste will end up abroad. He says: "Well this will end up abroad no doubt about it. This will be loaded into a box and shipped abroad, possibly the Far East, it could be Indonesia, it could be China, it could even be India."

Nity Jayaraman, an international waste investigator for the past 10 years and who brought Tonight to the Indian tip sites, says: "Nearby there is a paper company, it's supposed to be importing paper waste and recycling it."

"And this company gets this waste takes a little bit of paper from it and the rest of it is pure trash - pure unrecyclable, unusable trash which is just dumped in places like this."

At $80 a tonne the company pays less than half the price for this material than they would pay for fully sorted paper. Jayaraman says that according to Indian law this kind of trash is considered hazardous waste. He says: "You're shipping out your garbage, you're shipping out your responsibility. And it violates every law, right from the time that it entered India, it's been violating laws because this is import of hazardous waste and the hazardous waste has come in illegally".

Andy Moore, Co-ordinator of the Community Recycling Network, says that local authorities have a duty of care to know where their recyclable waste is going and to ensure that is actually being recycled.

He explains: "Local authorities clearly have a duty of care to advise their householders as to what to put into the recycling and what not and householders clearly have a duty of care to put the right things in but local authorities also have a duty of care to the householders to make sure that the material they have so carefully separated is actually being recycled."

The Local Government Association's Cllr Paul Bettison adds: "Certainly from the indications that we have a local authority should be attemtping to find out what happens to their recyclates and simply knowing that you've sent them to the sorting facility does not guarantee that it's then going to be recyled."

Websites

Environment Agency - www.environment-agency.gov.uk

DEFRA - www.defra.gov.uk/

Local Government Association - www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=1

Campaign for Real Recycling - www.realrecycling.org.uk

WRAP - www.wrap.org.uk/

Lets Recycle - www.letsrecycle.com/

forevercleaning Mon 08-Sep-08 20:11:23

yes, and half the stuff gets thrown into one big tip back together again, after we have spent all the time separating them into glass, plastic 01 02 30 etc and if you dont you get fined! crap isnt it.

RTKangaMummy Mon 08-Sep-08 20:11:24

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Overmydeadbody Mon 08-Sep-08 20:13:11

Mhhh

TBH, I'm not at all shocked or surprised by this.

RTKangaMummy Mon 08-Sep-08 20:14:09

i never knew that this happened

i just saw a bag that held blood on the dump in india

Overmydeadbody Mon 08-Sep-08 20:15:01

recycling is more a system set up to make people feel good about themselves. Like a little pat on the back.

It is, quite often, not even ethical or environmentally friendly to recycle stuff. But hey ho. As long as people feel 'green' and local coucillors get the votes they need <shrugs>

Tortington Mon 08-Sep-08 20:16:57

that is shocking.

i am astounded

LazyLinePainterJane Mon 08-Sep-08 20:18:12

I have heard about carrier bags being shipped out to China to be recycled and then shipped back...is it worth it?

SmugColditz Mon 08-Sep-08 20:19:12

Would I be VERY paranoid to suspect that this is the reason I have started getting phonecalls from an Indian call centre asking for exp despite the fact he moved out 18 months ago?

I am in Leicestershire and I am fucking OUTRAGED, all the shit they give us with their fortnightly fucking collections, escalating council tax and constant whining reminders about what goes in which goddamned bin. I am FUMING.

FAQ Mon 08-Sep-08 20:22:25

oh FFS - I trekked down to the recycling with 30 odd bottles, 2 children and toddler in a pushchair yesterday.........in Wellingborough (only just switched over though so haven't seen much of it)

Tortington Mon 08-Sep-08 20:29:09

i really am zealous about recycling. - i lobbied and argued with my council for a larger bin - the hoops i had to go through to get one.

like colitz says the fucking globl pressure put upon us as consumers - for it to get landfilled.

aaaaaaaaaaargh

Tortington Mon 08-Sep-08 20:29:09

i really am zealous about recycling. - i lobbied and argued with my council for a larger bin - the hoops i had to go through to get one.

like colitz says the fucking globl pressure put upon us as consumers - for it to get landfilled.

aaaaaaaaaaargh

TsarChasm Tue 09-Sep-08 09:22:13

I saw this too. I am gobsmacked. After all the rules and regulations and threats of fines we have to observe. It a disgrace angry

blueshoes Tue 09-Sep-08 10:02:17

I live in Greenwich, London which has won awards for its successful recycling scheme. They recycle glass, plastic, paper and cans, collected from households in one mixed recycling bag every week.

I have always wondered how they can do this. I understand the materials go to a materials recycling facility (MRF) located in the borough where it is sorted and separated into 'single material bales for recycling by other parties' (taken from website): here.

I don't know whether those bales end up in India as there is no info on that, but I would say that the recycling facility sounds genuine and the council invested quite a lot of money in it and is used by other boroughs as well.

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HeadFairy Tue 09-Sep-08 10:16:30

There are two answers to this, recyle as much as you can in your home (compost heaps, reusing plastic bags etc) and consume less.

Mehere Tue 09-Sep-08 12:17:42

I have read with great interest the comments made on this website. Please be assured that all Authorities have no intention to punish people or just give a pat on the back for being good and recycle. This government says that each authority in this country has to collect recyclate to get recycling credits so rubbish is not sent to landfill. Regrettably this government does not give us the right infrastructure to effect efficient disposal and thus the landfill taxes are increased on a continuous basis - followed by you and I having to recycle more and more. Blame the government not the authority please because the authority knows where their recycling is going. It is unscrupulous dealers who actually dispose of it, I recall from the report that there was another waste company or something next to where the rubbish was found?

Vote next election for a different government and I am sure that things will change!

Zazette Tue 09-Sep-08 12:25:08

Can you give us a link to info on the Conservatives' policies on recycling please Mehere? that would be really useful. (even though the Libs have always been the greenest of the main parties, I'm assuming you're referring to Tory policies, as sadly there is little chance of the Libs forming the next govt)

blueshoes Tue 09-Sep-08 12:49:36

mehere, I am not sure I follow your argument as to why it is the (Labour) government to blame and not individual authorities who should be investigating where the recycled materials are going.

What are your credentials for speaking on behalf of all local authorities when you say "Please be assured that all Authorities have no intention to punish people or just give a pat on the back for being good and recycle."

What is the relationship between the 'government', local authorities and these 'unscrupulous dealers' as to how recycled materials are disposed of? How is it the government is culpable but local authorities who, by your words, know where the recycling is going can somehow legitimately close their eyes to these 'unscrupulous dealers' you speak of?

I would like to understand your argument.

AbbaFan Tue 09-Sep-08 12:59:13

The tonight show is so sensationalist though.

They are over the top about EVERYTHING.

FAQ Wed 10-Sep-08 09:13:46

what is sensationalist about finding stuff that people have recycled in the UK in a landfill in India???

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