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I am about to be mean to a friend & I can't see a way round it

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snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 20:46:13

I have employed a friend for several years

I think I am going to have to make her redundant - I can't think of a way round it

The other staff are more flexible, cheaper, reliable and better at their jobs

I feel like crap sad

No-one can make it any better I guess I just wanted to acknowledge how bad I was feeling about it

Hecate Fri 15-Aug-08 20:49:11

So she's not flexible, not reliable, costs too much and she's incompetent? Oh dear. Well, you have to do what you have to do. It is business, not personal.

Accept that you will probably lose her as a friend, but you cannot see your livelihood flushed down the loo to spare even the best friend's feelings.

Spidermama Fri 15-Aug-08 20:50:37

Are you going to tell her why you have to let her go?

snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 20:51:51

She's not flexible - she has a family
She's not reliable - as above plus some health problems
She costs too much - well she has been with me the longest
She's incompetent - well she isn't she is very good.....the others are better

dropinthe Fri 15-Aug-08 20:51:57

Feel for you!

snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 20:52:39

I'll say money and flexibility

I guess sad

jimjamshaslefttheyurt Fri 15-Aug-08 20:53:01

The only fair way to do redundancy is as a business decision. Good luck.

snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 20:54:34

I know - it is the right decision

I feel bad about it though

I can't help but put myself in her position

Spidermama Fri 15-Aug-08 20:57:10

Very tough. I've been fired twice. I remember both times vividly. Horrible. sad

StarlightMcKenzie Fri 15-Aug-08 20:57:48

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snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 20:58:25

Our children are friends
Our families socialise

solidgoldbrass Fri 15-Aug-08 20:59:43

Make sure you are absolutely in the right legally before you do anything (ie you can't make someone redundant and then employ someone else at a lower wage to do the same job). I am not criticising you at all - sometimes an employer has to make hard decisions - but don't make it a worse mess than necessary by leaving open loopholes for her to sue you.

Monchichi Fri 15-Aug-08 21:00:23

Could you cut back her hours and hope that she finds a full time job somewhere else?

YIKES>.. it's gonna be awkward.

Fanlight Fri 15-Aug-08 21:00:54

That's really sad that because someone has a family, they are naturally first in the firing line sad

I might not even try to get a job then, once I am able...

Not OP's fault obviously

snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 21:02:34

I spent several hours on the phone to ACAS today; to be sure I was doing things right

If I delay much more - everyone could lose their jobs & I could lose my house

The option is to lay everyone off that way at least everyone is in the same boat

Hecate Fri 15-Aug-08 21:04:19

starlight - I ran a business for 4 years. We went under. Perhaps if I had made better business decisions and not gone with my heart, I wouldn't have been declared bankrupt. Employing the wrong people costs a lot of money. In my case it cost me everything. You DO have to seperate business from personal. If you don't, you are in the shit.

Yours truly
Hecate
dunpoopin
Shit street
Shitville

Fanlight Fri 15-Aug-08 21:04:48

Can see your predicament, it's not a nice thing to have to do but if you feel it is the right thing then do it.

No point beating yourself up about it. Honestly just do what will work, that's your job, to do the right thing by most people/your company/your family.

Nobody can expect you to put them above those things iyswim.

StarlightMcKenzie Fri 15-Aug-08 21:34:29

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janeite Fri 15-Aug-08 21:42:20

But if she has been with you the longest, shouldn't she be last out? Or am I being naive? Has she had performance management or something, so she knows your concerns already?

janeite Fri 15-Aug-08 21:43:15

Sorry - that sounded unsympathetic; it wasn't supposed to.

snapD Fri 15-Aug-08 22:11:35

She knows what sacrifices I have made (2 months at no wages plus months at reduced rates same as them plus I have been job hunting so that I don't need to take anything from the business)

'Last in first out' is not a required way of deciding on redundancy - but I have considered it - however last in does hours that my friend can't

I don't have concerns - her work is fine. She meets her targets. The others exceed theirs

I think if I was being cold I wouldn't be so upset about it

CarGirl Fri 15-Aug-08 22:19:23

big hugs, I really feel for you, I know you just don't have a choice. Let's hope your business turns around and you can remploy her in the future.

solidgoldbrass Fri 15-Aug-08 22:19:52

Is there any way that rather than making her redundant she could do some of her work from home or on flexitime? or is the case that you have to loseat least one wage?

Ripeberry Mon 18-Aug-08 16:15:51

Lucky that you are on the right side of the fence! Can't you have a talk to her first about retraining?, seing what she is doing wrong?
You need to give her a chance to improve herself, don't just dump her in it!
It may be you one day.

Ripeberry Mon 18-Aug-08 16:18:55

Sorry, missed the bit about the whole business going under!
If she is a good friend to you, then she would understand.
Sorry you have to make such a hard decision sad.

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