Should DS be paid for time spent traveling to training ?

[QuickQuestion111]

DS has recently started a coffee shop job at a local branch of a national chain. He is 21 and is paid just over minimum wage. He hasn’t yet signed any contract.
He has had to travel an hour and a half to the next city for several training days and the company has said that while they will reimburse his train ticket and will pay him for the time spent doing the actual training they will not pay for his travel time.
Am I right in thinking that because the training is not at his usual place of work that the company should be paying him for the hours he has spent traveling?
Am I correct? If I am, what law or regulations should he quote if he needs too.

Thank you. :-)

[HowToStopThis9]

You are incorrect.

[QuickQuestion111]

Ohh, interesting can you expand?

[CloudsCanLookLikeSheep]

Contract will usually state other locations on occasion. This is normal. Have you checked his contact?

[soupmaker]

No such law OP. Company under no obligation to pay him for his travelling time

[saraclara]

I've never been paid for travel time.

[RhymingRabbit3]

He is being paid for his travel and for the time spent training. They are under no obligation to pay him for travel time.

My husband has done training for work in London which is about 2 hours from us. He has always been paid for transport, hotel, food etc -stuff for which he would actually be out of pocket - but not the hours spent travelling, sleeping in the hotel or eating the dinner.

[CherryPavlova]

Tell him it’s not a good start to a job to start quoting things at your employer. Tell him it’s a few days and he’ll have a job and an employer who sees someone with a good attitude.
Clock watching is not the route to a successful career.

[ClashCityRocker]

Perfectly normal not to be paid for travel time. In fact its fairly rare, albeit not unheard of, for employees to do so.

[flowery]

It’s possible you may have heard that some work travelling time is subject to minimum wage requirements. However this is for workers who travel between several appointments during their working day- they have to be paid at least minimum wage inclusive of time spent travelling from one appointment to the next.

However they (and everyone else) are not entitled to be paid for travelling from their home to the first work location of the day, or from the last location back home again.

[StrayWoman]

Wishful thinking, but no, that doesn't happen.

[Houseyhousey]

@CherryPavlova well said!

[Trewser]

Tell him it’s not a good start to a job to start quoting things at your employer. Tell him it’s a few days and he’ll have a job and an employer who sees someone with a good attitude. Clock watching is not the route to a successful career

This 100%

[QuickQuestion111]

Thanks for the replies so far.
He isn't planning on a career with the company. He has a graduate job lined up and can easily get another short term job elsewhere.
The info on WWW.Gov.UK states that training or travelling to training does count as working time. The training is not his usual place of work and his pay would drop below minimum wage if he included the travel time and averaged out his wage over his pay period. He is paid every two weeks.
He hasn't got a contract yet.

Surely that means the Company is meant to pay his travel time? (Or at least make it so that he gets a minimum of NMW averaged out over his pay period)
More than happy to be corrected but would like to know why I am wrong if I am.

[Trewser]

Let him sort it out.

[QuickQuestion111]

RhymingRabbit3

Is your husband on or just above minimum wage?

[gamerchick]

Why are you even getting involved OP. Stop wiping his bum and sort his own shit out.

If getting another job is so easy then he can always say no and land something more acceptable.

[QuickQuestion111]

Trewser

Mumsnet can be a great way to get info quickly. He doesn't have a Mumsnet account so I suggested I post a thread about it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[00100001]

If he wants to, then he can go in and ask his supervisor to be paid for his travel time, as well as the expenses.
He can quote the government website if he likes.


I doubt it will work though.

[QuickQuestion111]

GamerChick*

🤦🏻‍♀️ Do you run a chain of coffee shops by any chance?

[Weescot]

Ffs stop mollycoddling him

[PinkGinny]

Is he being asked to get to his usual location for 9am and then travel to training or get to the training location for 9am. If (a) then I would expect the time to be considered part of his working day if (b) then no it not part of his working day as he hasn't yet started and so why would he expect to be paid for it?

[QuickQuestion111]

WeeScot
I’m not mollycoddling him. I’m asking a question on here on his behalf. Do you have adult kids?

[RB68]

The way it has always worked for me when normally based at one location is that you deduct normal travel time to place of work then the rest is paid as work time. So if normal travel to work is 30 mins deduct from the 1.5hrs to get 1 hr to count as working time. If he is paid a full day for the training remember it could finish earlier than the norm so this may already be accounted for e.g. they only plan for 6 hrs training not the full 8 for a whole day. At hrly rate low pay it should count. As as others have said you slip below min wage if not careful

[QuickQuestion111]

PinkGinny
He is being asked to get to the training location for 9am. The Coffee Shop is two minutes from our house and the training is an hour and a half away.

[QuickQuestion111]

He doesn’t go to the coffee shop before trading to the training.