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Ilikecheeselotsandlots Mon 22-Jul-19 12:17:43

Hi.
I have an interview soon, the wage is £25,295- £27,905 pro rata based on TTO + 10 Days, i cant seem to calculate what it could be.
Can anyone help me please, i so badly want a better work balance but im the main earner so not sure i coukd afford to leave the job im in.
Thanks

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prh47bridge Mon 22-Jul-19 13:51:19

Term time only for a school equates to 39 weeks if they include Inset days. Add on 10 days takes us to 41 weeks. So take the advertised salary, divide by 52 and multiply by 40 giving £19944 - 21002. However, those are only rough figures. Universities have shorter terms so the pay would be lower. A school may not include Inset days in the calculation if this job isn't required for those days. If you want a reliable answer you need to ask the employer.

Ilikecheeselotsandlots Tue 23-Jul-19 16:27:14

Thank you

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Herocomplex Tue 23-Jul-19 16:29:02

You can look up their term dates on their website to be sure.

GreenTulips Tue 23-Jul-19 16:31:52

You’ll be paid 39 weeks plus the two extra weeks plus 4 weeks paid holiday

So 35 weeks

Generally it’s based on 37 hours a week

So salary /52 x 45 weeks

Then total/37 x x hours

Less tax and insurance etc

leghairdontcare Tue 23-Jul-19 16:33:53

To do this calculation you need to know:

How much leave a fte employee is entitled to. (They don't work 52 weeks)
How many weeks of the year you will be working (then add the 10 days)

And then you need to factor in that many many employers calculate term time only pay incorrectly so it's probably best to ask them what the actual salary is before committing to anything.

prh47bridge Tue 23-Jul-19 17:38:14

You’ll be paid 39 weeks plus the two extra weeks plus 4 weeks paid holiday

Forgot that an education establishment would probably require staff to take holidays outside term time. However, on that basis, assuming full time staff are only entitled to the statutory minimum, the OP would be entitled to 5 weeks paid holiday, not 4. That makes the figures £22376-£24685. But it depends on treatment of Inset days, how much holiday full time staff actually get and so on.

Herocomplex Tue 23-Jul-19 23:20:02

I’m a bit confused. I thought all non-teaching staff had TTO contracts? Teaching staff are on a different pay agreement all together, they’re not FT equivalent of the non-teaching staff.
I’m annoyed with myself because I had a TTO role once and I was convinced the pay wasn’t calculated correctly!

flowery Wed 24-Jul-19 07:26:27

What are you confused about @Herocomplex ? OP doesn’t say anything to suggest she’s a teacher so teaching contracts aren’t relevant. If she’s working in a school non-teaching, then yes usually most/all of them will be on TTO contracts. But what’s the confusion?

Lougle Wed 24-Jul-19 07:50:55

£25,295- £27,905 pro rata based on TTO + 10 Days, i cant seem to calculate what it could be.

Generally, term time is 39 weeks. 10 days is 2 weeks. You get 5.6 weeks holiday (28 days) but 2 of those will be used for in-term bank holidays, potentially (May) and the rest will fall outside term time, reducing the holiday to 5.2 weeks.

39+2+5.2= 46.2 weeks per year working.

£25,295 ÷ 52 × 46.2 = £22,473.64
£27,905 ÷ 52 × 46.2 = £24,792.52

However, as prh says, you have to know details such as how INSET days are dealt with - whether your role requires you to attend, or take a holiday day.

Herocomplex Wed 24-Jul-19 08:07:43

Hi flowery it was in response to the two previous posters who mentioned the holiday entitlement of FTE staff. In schools there are no FTE staff (unless there are?) except teachers so you can’t look at their holiday entitlement relative to TTO staff.

leghairdontcare Wed 24-Jul-19 08:21:00

OP didn't say the job was in a school. FE college is an example of a place where non teaching staff work through the year as well as tto.

flowery Wed 24-Jul-19 08:23:10

Most support staff in schools are on local authority terms and conditions, including pay scales and holiday entitlement, which are based around full time staff and are then pro rated for part time/TTO arrangements.

So an administrator in a school might be on the same point on the same scale as someone doing a similar job in the district council office year-round, but will need the salary and holiday entitlement pro rating down.

The comparison isn’t with teachers, who are on different terms and conditions altogether.

flowery Wed 24-Jul-19 08:23:32

And yes, we don’t even know it’s a school!

Herocomplex Wed 24-Jul-19 08:26:31

Ah, yes leghair of course.
(Just to say, I was genuinely confused, it wasn’t a passive aggressive ‘I think you’re all wrong’)

Herocomplex Wed 24-Jul-19 08:31:18

Thank you flowery of course! I had three separate contracts from the LA in succession for different roles within different services and I remember now. (Mainly that the school based one involved a lot of unavoidable
overtime)
Thank you for your explanations.

GreenTulips Wed 24-Jul-19 08:42:24

I work term time only and get 4 weeks paid holiday and I’m not a teacher

leghairdontcare Wed 24-Jul-19 12:20:09

No worries @herocomplex

PopWentTheWeasel Wed 24-Jul-19 12:40:56

OP, you need to ask if you're only being paid in the months you work, or year round based on the TTO pro rata. There will be a difference in how much you get paid each month.

In my experience (not a school but I manage TTO staff) if you're the main wage earner and currently work FT, a TTO job won't give you enough of a replacement salary. You'll also be expected to take your holidays during the vacation weeks, so you may struggle to get time off during your working weeks for non-medical appointments e.g. to attend your child's school sports day / nativity play, as you won't get a leave allocation as such.

GreenTulips Wed 24-Jul-19 12:42:43

I disagree

There are lots of training days and meeting etc that take place outside core hours

There are banked and can be used as additional days.

Pinkprincess1978 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:34:52

You need to take into account annually leave and bank holidays. Different schools and areas all work it out differently. I work for a MAT and we have three differ t calculations for the same wiring time and holidays (with some more to be added in September as we take on so former private companies catering departments).

Roughly add 190 plus 10 plus 8 plus what ever the annual leave is then divide by 5. Then divide the advertised salary by 52.24285 and multiply by the above number - check though as we pro rata our salary when we advertise the post.

rockingthelook Thu 25-Jul-19 10:42:46

My friend works in a school and has equated pay, TTO weeks and days expected to be worked (inset) plus 4 weeks paid annual leave , the annual salary for these is divided by 12 months to give a monthly wage, this only changes if she is absent or works overtime. She is not allowed to take the paid annual leave whilst the school is open, therefore her holidays are with her children, but obviously holidays are more expensive at this time.

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