Nhs- higher band, lower pay?

[Gwythr]

Good evening everybody,

I have an interview for a traineeship band 4 under U annex (70-75% of top of band 4).

Im currently a band 3 (pay point 8).

This is quite a substantial drop in pay, does anybody know how length of service may affect or be affected in this situation?

I always thought you couldn't be "worse off" when going up a band.

Just seems unfair. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance

[MyRunMyPace]

I think the proposed changes are doing away with the overlapping pay points.

[Gwythr]

It isn't necessarily an overlap because the proposed pay is more like a band 2!

[MyRunMyPace]

Oh, I misunderstood - so is that because it's a training position?

[Gwythr]

Apperently.. I'm just surprised that for band 4 responsibilies (even as a trainee) I would lose out?

[MrsTylerJoseph]

You shouldn’t lose money. You don’t start at the bottom of the new band, you should go across and then up one point so you get a pay rise. It’s in agenda for change I believe.

[Gwythr]

I'm just thinking because of this 'annex U' they can bypass this?

[MrsTylerJoseph]

Talk to your union rep if they’re arguing the pay point.

[MrsTylerJoseph]

Never heard of u annexe.

[MrsTylerJoseph]

It is in agenda for change




Starting salary if the appointment is a promotion from within the NHS to a higher level pay band

The starting salary in these circumstances will be either the bottom of the pay band, or if this would result in no increase then the starting salary will be the first point on the pay band that would deliver an increase.

[MrsTylerJoseph]

www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/doc_viewer.cgi?type=jpd&id=11259

I don’t think they should be able to not stick to agenda for change regardless of whether it’s a training post but I’m no employment law expert.

[MyRunMyPace]

I worry that they'll argue it's not a promotion, so the equal or higher pay thing doesn't apply. I'd definitely try to argue your case though, making use of HR and your union etc. And bear in mind that you'll be paid more once you are trained. How long is the training position for?

[Gwythr]

The advertisement says 12 months.

I'm hoping that the pay can't be massively worse off, but after working for the NHS for some years I'm not holding my breath.