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Pay rise in the NHS...can it be performance related within your banding?

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SushhhhNow Thu 18-Feb-16 08:06:07

Hello. I'm a newly qualified midwife working for the NHS. I'm currently band 5 and I'm working towards skills and competencies which will allow me to move up to band 6. I have no desire to work as a band 7, but I was wondering whether or not it is possible to move up the pay scale within your banding for doing things such as taking on extra responsibility, or do you only move up with each year of service?

Thank you smile

WhoTheFuckIsSimon Thu 18-Feb-16 08:10:37

Just with each year of service sadly ime.

Ive had a more senior band 6 role than any of the other band 6s in my hospital for 3 years now and I'm still not top of band 6. So people that im "above" by virtue of my role get paid more than me for doing a lot less.....which is annoying.

SushhhhNow Thu 18-Feb-16 08:27:02

That is annoying.

It doesn't really inspire people to work beyond expectations either. I know nobody works for the NHS for the money (haha!), but the scope to be recognised for your work would be nice.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon Thu 18-Feb-16 10:09:46

Apart from that working beyond expectations can get you promotions, sideways moves, etc on the future even if you think you wouldn't be interested now you may feel differently in a few years.

Then if a job comes up in safeguarding, risk, education, etc they'll look more favourably on the person who has shown that they're capable of that bit extra.

SushhhhNow Thu 18-Feb-16 15:37:42

Well that's true I suppose. Thanks for replying.

OlafLovesAnna Thu 18-Feb-16 16:13:15

I was coming on to ask a similar question, I am hoping to move from equivalent band in the private sector to the NHS.

As I have 5 years experience in the role would I be offered mid band or would I have to start at the bottom of band 5? It would influence whether I could take the job!

WhoTheFuckIsSimon Thu 18-Feb-16 16:51:15

You should be offered mid band but if you're offered the job I would make it clear when that your acceptance rests on that. Ive known people come from abroad and get half way on a banding as a starting point as they can prove they've got x years of experience. If the post in the nhs also expects you have x skill though Ie, cannulation you would also need to demonstrate you can do that.

CountryLovingGirl Thu 18-Feb-16 21:54:01

I am band 6 and I used to have an extra incremental point added when we were on the Whitley pay scales as I had extra responsibilities above the other band 6's. Once AFC pay scales came in I lost it as you could only go to the top point on the scale.

You may be able to be moved up if taking on something extra but, be careful, as the others will catch you up once you are at the top. You could end up doing more than the others for the same pay.

Poppiesway Thu 18-Feb-16 22:18:27

Technically we are only meant up to move up a notch each year till ti
Op of the band, however We have a member of staff who has recently started with us, worked 2 yrs in nhs, traveled then locumed and came back to nhs. They managed to get placed on the top of band 7 as a condition of taking a job with us. (We are short staffed and can't recruit to our area) This has not gone down well with the rest of the staff after they accidently let it slip they were at top of the band.. Those of us that have been in nhs for 10+ yrs, loyal to same hospital, working up from band 5 to then have a person with 3 yrs experience on a higher rate of pay compared to the others has lead to some incredibly bad feelings in department.
Apparently you can negotiate your pay when starting in nhs but I wouldn't broadcast it if your on a higher rate than others of more experience, others may be fine but a bad atmosphere at work has left for an unpleasant work place at the moment..

CountryLovingGirl Fri 19-Feb-16 07:09:58

I find that shocking Poppiesway. They sound like they don't have enough NHS experience to be halfway up a band 6 let alone top of band 7! I would imagine that would create a bad atmosphere.
I have moved hospitals 3 times (due to travel times) but I have always had to produce a recent payslip so that I am on the same pay in the new job.
I think this will happen more and more in the NHS though (what has happened at your place) as many are leaving and every department is short staffed now. Qualified, skilled staff will, once again, be like gold dust and will command higher rates.

OlafLovesAnna Fri 19-Feb-16 08:35:02

Thanks, that's very helpful. When would you you mention salary? In the interview seems too forward so do you start the negotiations if they ring to offer the job?

Poppiesway Fri 19-Feb-16 23:45:58

Countrygirl, because of our post grad level we are band 7 once qualified, but they qualified and left.. Imo you need to keep practising to keep skills up, not vanish and come back at top of band with less experience than those on less pay.

thenightsky Fri 19-Feb-16 23:49:27

A4C is about equal pay for equal work.

Mrsmulder Fri 19-Feb-16 23:54:16

You can definitely move from private sector to mid band, you just need to negotiate it before starting. I went back to the nhs from private (charity based) and started top band 5. Although I agree you should be paid more for what you do, I have to stress that years experience is worth it's weight in gold, I work with a lot of juniors who have done training for extra 'skills' but they don't have the knowledge or experience of dealing with people and families in a wide variety of situations, nursing and midwifery is about more than clinical skills and I think that it is important to recognise that too

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