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oliviafrombolivia Mon 15-Jun-15 17:08:59

hello all, wondered whether you could give me your opinions before I speak to my HR department. I work in a school, 20 hours a week term time only. My pay is pro-rata'd down to reflect my hours and I received 12 monthly pay transfers. My contract states I work term time only - this also includes inset days.. All fine. The end of this term falls on a Thursday for us this time, my colleague (not a line manager) but we work together, she is more senior, doesn't agree that in the last week of term which is 1/5 shorter than a normal 5 day week, my hours should be 1/5 less, i.e.: 16. She works full time but term time only. She also finishes on the Thursday and her hours will be 1/5 less that week also to reflect this. What do you think? Am I right or is she? Thank you.

insancerre Mon 15-Jun-15 17:16:54

Is the Friday an inset day or the actual end of term?
I manage a nursery and my term time staff finish on Thursday this term too
I don't work out the hours, hr do that but term time in our setting means you don't work in the holidays
The Thursday is a holiday so I think you dont need to work it

insancerre Mon 15-Jun-15 17:17:48

Ignore my post. Ds came in and distracted me. It makes no sense!

MrsLeighHalfpenny Mon 15-Jun-15 17:18:36

I doubt it will be up to your colleague to decide. Check your contract, or ask payroll.

Hazelnut55 Mon 15-Jun-15 17:20:51

You are paid for 195 days per year (UK), which is every school day plus 5. Do you work every weekday, or just say Mondays and Wednesdays?

auntpetunia Mon 15-Jun-15 17:25:45

Why does it matter your pay is decided by the council surely. I work 41 weeks so term time plus 10 my salary is the same every month regardless of exact days worked.

oliviafrombolivia Mon 15-Jun-15 17:46:42

hiya, thanks so much for all your responses. The Thursday isn't an inset day, it is the last day of term (sorry that is a red herring - just giving the information that I work them). Its a private school, so council rules don't apply. I usually work Mondays/Tuesdays/Thursdays/Fridays 5 hours a day. If I am able I am happy to swap my day off for another day more convenient if they need me more on another day. When I first got this job I was oriiginally working 5 days x 4 hours, but requested, and was granted a change. It suits me, they don't mind, and often it suits them as I can cover lunchtimes etc.

baffledmum Mon 15-Jun-15 20:06:37

if term-time ends on the Thurs then neither of you will have been paid for the Friday. Both of you just need to work Mon-Thurs the hours that you normally work.

If you don't normally work a Friday then you don't get to work one fifth fewer hours that week to reflect that term ends on the Thurs, as you have been paid to work 20 hours Mon-Thurs term-time.

Assuming you are both term-time you will be paid 4 hours per day for the Mon-Thurs. ie for 16 hours and she will have been paid 28 hours for Mon-Thurs ie. 7 per days

oliviafrombolivia Mon 15-Jun-15 20:44:27

hi baffled mum, I do normally work a Friday.. I currently work 5 hours a day, 4 days a week. My usual day off being a Wednesday..

My issue is my colleague is expecting me to work 20 hours for the week condensed over 4 days instead of 5. If I were working the hours I normally work I would still have the Wednesday off... do you think that is correct? (or am I being petty...?)

baffledmum Mon 15-Jun-15 22:04:44

does the school expect you to work 20hours per week for 37 weeks of the year (assuming your school gets 15 weeks hol)? If so, you may need to work 20 hours in that final week over the days available.

Or does it work out the number of term-time hours that fall into the 37 weeks available, in which case it won't have paid you for the final Friday and you will just work M, Tu and Th that week.

Your colleague really needs to butt out. She may not have been paid for the final Friday either, her pay may also have been adjusted to reflect the fact it's the hols but either way, I don't understand why she's involved.

Contact payroll on your own behalf.

Good luck.

oliviafrombolivia Mon 15-Jun-15 22:07:52

I will find that out from the HR department, thank you so much for your help, you are very kind to come back to me.

insancerre Tue 16-Jun-15 06:37:02

You are right
Your colleague is wrong
I manage a nursery and don't expect my term time staff to make up their hours in the way your colleague has suggested
The same way I don't expect my fulltime staff to make up their hours when there is a bank holiday
I'm presuming you get the same pay every month?
There is a formula that our head office use to work out the wages of term time staff
It won't have anything to do with your colleague

oliviafrombolivia Tue 16-Jun-15 08:02:01

thank you insancerre, I will ask HR for clarification today on whether I get paid for x days a year x ? or weeks per year. I get the same pay every month. So awful when there is a potential clash with someone you work closely with.

flowery Tue 16-Jun-15 08:46:17

I don't understand. What has it got to do with your colleague? Just work your normal hours, ie Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday when those days fall during a term. If your manager asks you to work Wednesday on that week, then you have an issue, but surely your colleague just needs to butt out?

If your contract doesn't say anything like your days will be changed if the end of term happens to fall mid-week, then there's no issue.

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