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Job offer withdrawn after CRB/DBS check showed issues already disclosed during application.

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NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 20:02:36

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Redcliff Fri 12-Apr-13 20:38:18

It seems odd that they didn't follow their own policy re discussing the conviction but they are within their rights to withdrawer the offer and there isn't a law/GB that means they can't. It might be worth a polite e-mail to the Head of HR pointing out the facts and asking them to reconsider(given that your family member had disclosed the info and they still took them through the interview or at least explain why they have not followed their policy?

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 20:46:57

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prh47bridge Fri 12-Apr-13 20:47:24

As this was an enhanced disclosure it is possible the company were given some information that wasn't on your relative's copy. It may be their decision is based on that rather than the conviction. That would also explain why they didn't discuss it with your relative - if there is additional information the employer must not disclose it to the candidate.

Of course, if there was no additional information I agree with Redcliff.

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 20:51:13

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NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 20:54:58

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AuntieStella Fri 12-Apr-13 20:57:36

The likeliest explanatn is left hand / right hand within the company. So the interviewer may have had one view of fhe implications, but the person responsible for the 'vetting' (or the protection policies which mean checks are required in the firs place) has taken another, and the latter's view has prevailed.

It is a pity they did not follow their own policy of discussing issues revealed, but as it seems there is a firm decision then it is highly unlikely the withdrawal would be reversed.

CajaDeLaMemoria Fri 12-Apr-13 21:00:40

You can't run a CRB on yourself.

I've also never seen an enhanced disclosure that gave any information other than the crime that was committed and the date etc. So I'm not sure what could be recorded that your family member wouldn't know about.

Was your family member completely honest and upfront about what they were charged with and exactly when it was? If there was anything that could have looked like a lie, of untruth, that could have changed the employers mind.

A discussion is usually only worthwhile if there is a chance of employment still going ahead, and in this case it appears that there was not. There isn't a way to make them stick to that policy, as frustrating as that is, so it's probably worth letting this go.

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 21:01:01

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Hulababy Fri 12-Apr-13 21:01:48

I have got copies of my enhanced CRBs. It should be possible,

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 21:05:38

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SlambangSweepstakeQueen Fri 12-Apr-13 21:06:05

No, he should have received a copy of the same info that they received. Enhanced checks include cautions, spent and childhood stuff - could he have forgotten to mention something that showed up?

If I was him I'd ask for a meeting and a discussion in a very polite letter, pointing out their own policy and that he had disclosed everything. They probably wont offer him the job but if he's extremely reasonable there's always a chance.

SlambangSweepstakeQueen Fri 12-Apr-13 21:06:55

A copy automatically gets sent to the home address.

Hulababy Fri 12-Apr-13 21:07:55

I am sure they just came to my house - one to me and one to work (in my case the work places being schools and a high security prison)

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 21:15:22

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Redcliff Fri 12-Apr-13 21:25:22

With some enhanced checks extra information is provided only to the employer in a separate letter but this is so rare its unlikely that this happened in this case. Given that he provided the information in a sperate letter it could be that the info didn't get to the right people so he wasn't sifted out when he should have been.

prh47bridge Fri 12-Apr-13 22:12:46

Redcliff is correct. You get a copy of your disclosure but sometimes with an enhanced disclosure there is a separate letter to the employer with non-conviction information that the police consider to be relevant. This can happen if, for example, you are the subject of an ongoing investigation but the police don't want to alert you to that fact, hence the reason it doesn't appear on your copy of the disclosure and the employer is not allowed to discuss it with you. As Redcliff says it is pretty rare but it can't be ruled out.

NatashaBee Fri 12-Apr-13 23:34:14

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AnythingNotEverything Fri 12-Apr-13 23:41:08

Hang on - it doesn't sound to me like they changed their mind, it sounds like they said they wouldn't open the envelope until the job was offered, alongside other checks.

Therefore it may not be an issue with the DBS, it may be with the offence.

Either way I'd arrange a meeting or at least a telephone call as if he wants to work in this area he needs to know if it is even viable for him.

auntpetunia Tue 16-Apr-13 21:29:12

Your relative has to have received a paper copy of his CRB through the post that will show him exactly what the school has received. He should check there is nothing else on there that he hasn't disclosed. It is so rare for any other information to be provided to the school that in the 8 years of doing my job I have never known it and I have had a number of people with convictions get jobs, (usually stupid childhood/youth offences - though one guy was done for egging an MP and was very proud of it!) and these have not resulted in job offers being revoked.

If they have a policy then I would contact the Head by phone in the first instance and ask for a meeting to discuss why they didn't follow their policy and ask for their reasoning. It may well depend what they did to get themselves arrested, if they assaulted a minor for example that might be a reason.

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