# Talk

## Part time holiday allowance??

(66 Posts)
Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 21:12:30

I am starting a new job doing 20 hours a week over 4 days. They said I get 12.5 days a year, but that doesn't seem right to me? Can anyone confirm if this is correct please??

Xxx

Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 21:44:49

Yes 5 hours a day. God I'm confused lol am I right in thinking it should be 14.5 then??? Xx

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 21:46:22

Yes. They have made an error in calculation somewhere.

Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 21:47:42

I did the calculator and it did it in hours which when I divide it by days gives me 14.5?? X

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 21:50:29

Yes that's what I get for you. If course it's much easier if b/h are included. Watch they are not trying to pro rata them down too.

Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 21:53:21

What do u mean pro rata them down?

Thu 07-Mar-13 21:54:25

The bank holiday thing is quite confusing too as it depends on whether the bank holidays hit your days off or not. It is probably easiest to work out your holiday entitlement including bank holidays and then keep the right number of holiday days or hours back to cover those bank holidays when you would normally be in work.

Do you know how many days a full time member of staff would get? The calculations above are based on a statutory minimum, but if your employer is more generous that the statutory minimum then you should benefit from that too.

Do you work the same number of hours on each of your 4 days?

Thu 07-Mar-13 21:56:10

You are entitled to 112 hours divided by 5 because you are only paid for 5 hours a day. That is 22.5 days.
However that is government minimum and you need to find out what is standard for your employers.

bubbles1231 Thu 07-Mar-13 21:56:16

20hrs isn't 4 full days work. Assuming an 8hr day it's only 2.5 days so they've possibly pro rata'd it that way.

Thu 07-Mar-13 22:01:17

A full time worker would be entitled to 20 days (minimum) plus 8 bank holidays. Therefore a 4 day a week worker is entitled to 20/5*4 = 16 days plus 8/5*4 = 6.4 bank holidays. So you should have 22.4 (or 22.5 to round to nearest half day). Look through the calendar for the year and see which bank holidays fall on your normal working days and take these off your allowance. this is useful. This means that if you normally have Mondays off and most bank holidays fall on a Monday you will be able to take your bank holiday allowance for some other days, on the other hand if you normally work on the days that all of the bank holidays are on you may end up taking some of your normal leave to cover the difference between the 8 bank holidays and your prorated bank holiday amount.

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 22:01:38

Years ago the statutory minimum was 4 weeks or 20 days but many employers offered bank holidays on top in their contracts. Often part timers got the 8 bank holidays pro rated down

Then regulations changed to 5.6 weeks (phased in) most employers did not offer bank holidays on top if that but contracts still read the old way.

Thu 07-Mar-13 22:02:45

Bubbles - that method would be wrong as when the OP is on holiday, she is gaining 5 hours of "not working" rather than 8 hours as she wouldn't be working 8 hours if she was not on holiday and is not being paid for 8 hours for that day.

ginmakesitallok Thu 07-Mar-13 22:04:50

Breathe, but that calculation assumes that full and part timers work the same hours each day. This is how mine works. Full-time works 37.5 hours and gets 28 days. I work 22.5 hours so get (28/37.5) x 22.5

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 22:05:15

Assuming your employer has an hr sept they should be getting this right

Heck I manage it as a sole trader with a young girl who works term time only very irregular hours.

ginmakesitallok Thu 07-Mar-13 22:07:06

Ffs! I've done that in days.

28 days holds for full timer is 28*7.5hours.

I get((28*7.5)/37.5)*22.5 hours

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 22:09:09

Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 22:11:01

Everyone is telling me different things :-/ I will work; Monday, Tuesday, weds, thurs 5 hours a day. What will
I get excluding bank holiday?? Xx

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 22:11:44

There is no statutory entitlment to paid bank holidays unless your employer specifically says so in your contract.

Picturesinthefirelight Thu 07-Mar-13 22:13:40

14.5 days plus 8 paid bank holidays whether or not they fall on your usual working day

However it would beach easier to say 22.5 days including bank holidays.

Laralooz Thu 07-Mar-13 22:16:45

Ok thanks I will speak to them tomorrow then. This is all so confusing, didn't think it would be xxx

Thu 07-Mar-13 23:19:03

I don't agree that PT workers get all 8 bank holidays, in my experience it is pro rated based either on the hours or days worked.

As the OP works the same number of hours each day calculating in hours or days will get to the same result.

Using hours, if the FT week is 40 hours then FT holiday is 5.6*40 hours = 224 hours. The OP works 20 hours so is entitled to half as much holiday as a FT worker, 224/2= 112 hours. Since the OP works 5 hours in each of her working days 112/5 = 22.4. This includes bank holidays, so any bank holidays falling on work days must be taken out of that allowance.

If we calculate using days, a 5 day a week worker (assuming the same number of hours each day) gets 5.6*5 days = 28 days. The OP works 4 days so is entitled to 28/5*4 = 22.4 days.

Assuming you were there at the start of the year and your leave year runs jan to Dec then there are the following bank holidays:

1 Jan Tues
29 March Fri
1 April Mon
6 May Mon
27 May Mon
26 Aug Mon
25 Dec Wed
26 Dec Thurs

7 of the 8 bank holidays fall on your working days so you need to take 7 days off your 22.4 days, leaving 15.4 days if holiday excluding bank holidays. This will vary each year depending on how the bank holidays fall in relation to your day off. I am not certain whether this is a new job and whether you started it after the beginning of your employer's leave year.

Metalgoddess Fri 08-Mar-13 10:55:58

You should still get the same number of weeks off as full timers, it'd just that you don't need as many days to get a full week off. I work 3 days a week and get 22 days off which equals just over 7 weeks.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 11:38:32

Bruffin has the right way of doing it, but check first how many hours a 'full time' week involves - at some places it's 37.5, at others it's 35. I don't think it's 40 in many places, so doing a straight half doesn't work out - if you're working 20 hours a week, then you're doing more than half-time. Include any bank holidays that full-timers get in your calculation and pro rata them as well - not all firms have bank holidays in addition to the statutory entitlement but if they offer them to full-timers they should offer them to part-timers too because to do otherwise is discriminatory.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 11:50:14

If you work 5 hours per day x 4 days per week you are entitled to 112 hours paid holiday for one year, irrespective of when bank holidays fall.

For each bank holiday you have as leave you will deduct 5 hours from the 112 hours total.

Bank holidays are included in your total holiday entitlement for the year.Your employers must pay you the correct amount of holiday per year but (unless contractually given) you have no rights to choose when this holiday is taken, therefore bank holidays will be deducted from your total annual allowance.

For anyone working irregular hours the figure for paid holiday entitlement is 12.08% of hours actually worked.

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 11:53:39

breatheslowly - bank holidays are totally irrelevent for calculating holiday entitlement.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:02:33

Not exactly. If full-timers get bank holidays then part-timers get them too. If nobody in the company gets paid bank holidays on top of their entitlement, then part-timers don't either, but employers are not allowed to discriminate against part-time workers.

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