Bank holiday allowance for part timers

[Starshaped]

I'm just about to change my working pattern from full time to Tuesday - Friday. Does anybody know what'll happen with regard to the bank holidays that fall on Mondays (which won't be a normal working day for me)?

Do I get some sort of pro-rata allowance?

[PandaNot]

That's exactly what you get. They might be included already in your holiday allowance, you'll need to ask HR. You'll be working 0.8 of the week so you should get 0.8 of the bank holidays.

[MissKeithLemon]

Bank holidays are an irrelevence in terms of how much holiday you are due each year.

Basically, on 4 days per week you will be entitled to 22.4 days paid holiday per year. Days/dates are to arrange between the employer and yourself.

[flowery]

Your bank holiday entitlement will be pro rata just like your normal holiday entitlement. There probably will be less bank holidays than you are entitled to falling on your usual working days, meaning you will need to take them at another time.

[PuppyMonkey]

I work Tuesday to Friday too and get pro rata bank holidays, so I get 80% of all bank holidays added to my annual leave. I just book my annual leave in the normal way, but you have to remember the Bank Hols that fall on other days must be included (Good Friday, Christmas Day, Boxing Day etc). Just ask your employer and they'll work out what you're entitled to.

[thinkfast]

There are different ways of working this out and the answer will depend on exactly how your holiday entitlement is expressed in your contract

[purpleroses]

You need to ask your employer. There's nothing set in law. Some pro rata the allowance but where I work you simply get the bank holiday if it's a day you work and not if it isn't. (I've always made sure I work Mondays:) )

[knackeredmother]

Purpleroses, Im fairly sure your employer is wrong. You should get a pro rata bank holiday allowance.

[AnnoyingOrange]

www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

Official info here

[MissKeithLemon]

There is something set in law. All workers are entitled to 5.6 weeks, or the pro rata'd equivalent, of paid holiday per year. There is no statutory entitlement to bank holidays at all.

This link expalins very well - www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

Purple - unless your comapny are overly generous in contractual holiday (ie they pay more than the law says it must) then they are breaking the law by doing as you describe. No worker should miss out on holiday entitlement depending on whch days of the week they work.

Infact, as there are now laws that part timers must not be adversly affected by their part time status, then even if the company is paying well over the required amount of holiday, it will still be breaking by operating in the way you describe in the holiday time it pays you for.

[MissKeithLemon]

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[nocake]

I'm sure I've done this before but here goes with the holiday entitlement calculator...

Say you work full time and get 25 days holiday a year plus 8 bank holidays = 33 days.
If you change to 4 days a week you'll get a total of 4/5ths of 33 = 26.4 days (round up to 26.5)
This includes your bank holidays so if one falls on a day you normally work it is deducted from the 26.5.

Your company may operate a different policy but this is how most companies do it because it is fair.

[ceeveebee]

My company is more generous than that. I work 3 days a week (Tues to Thurs) and I get 3/5 of normal allowance (30 days as have been there several years) plus 3/5 of all bank holidays that fall on Mondays and Fridays, plus 100% of bank holidays falling on my normal working days which this year includes Xmas, Boxing Day and NYD.

[snail1973]

Go on then, tell me, if I were to choose which days I worked (assuming I went back 3 days a week) should I opt to work a Monday or not work a Monday?

I'm thinking that most (but obv not all) Bank Hols are a MOnday, so does it work out better to opt for Mon- Wed or Tues - Thurs??

Sorry to be thick, but I have never got my head roubnd this one!!

[purpleroses]

My employer gives me 6 weeks contractual so not illegal. My ex on the other hand works Tue-Fri and gets 4wks and no bank hols so I may send him that link thanks

[Starshaped]

Brilliant - thanks everyone. I knew some wise mumsnetters would know!

I work in the public sector and have quite a generous holiday allowance, so imagine they'll be be fair with the bank holiday business.

[MissKeithLemon]

But it is illegal purple if they are disadvataging part timers by not paying them as much (pro rata'd) holiday as fulltimers or other part timers.

Nothing to do with holiday per se, but part time workers have rights to be treated no less favourably than any other worker. So a company cannot give additional holiday entitlement to a part time worker whose normal days include Monday but then not to a part time worker whose days do not uinclude Mondays.

See this link www.gov.uk/part-time-worker-rights

[MissKeithLemon]

They'll almost certainly be fair OP. Whether they will actually get it right however, is another matter

[Melfish]

I work part time in the public sector, not on mondays though. I get a pro rata allowance for public/privelege days which is worked out by the days or hours you do. When a public hol falls on my working day, I have to record it separately on my leave sheet. I usually have days left over at the end of the year, depending on how many of my days are affected by the Xmas and NY bank holidays and I get to carry them over the next year as part of my annual leave. However if you work Mondays there is always the chance you might run out of pro rata days from your allowance so I would check your entitlement before committing yourself.

[purpleroses]

Misskeith - maybe so but not sure I can complain seeing as I've arranged which days I work to take advantage of their system!

[Cloudminnow]

I used to not work on Mondays but never got a pro-rata allowance or day off in lieu (teaching).

[smogwod]

snail1973 if your employer does pro-rata the bank holidays correctly then I find it's best not to work Mondays - that way you get to use you're bank holiday allowance on other days. And if you have to pay for childcare most nurseries make you pay for bank holidays even if they're closed!

[EthelredOnAGoodDay]

I work part time in local government and get a pro-rata entitlement calculated as a lump sum of hours. I used to work mon-wed, but changed my days to tues-third and whilst I assured by my manager that technically I am no better off by not working mondays, I certainly feel as if i end up better off and having to use less of my leave allocation to top-up the bank holiday requirements.

[snail1973]

thank you (have got a job interview tomorrow so always useful to have these things up your sleeve)

[EthelredOnAGoodDay]

Oh well good luck with that!

[MissKeithLemon]

Purple - I realise that, sort of. What I should have said is that those not working the Mondays are being disadvantaged by that particular practice - which is illegal.