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Failure to make shortlist of job with my name on it!!

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SAHMlikeitHOT Fri 29-Jul-11 16:14:29

Can anyone advise if/how I can challenge this? Was certain the job was MINE (and I'm very modest) as all my experience etc directly relevant - just can't believe they don't even want to interview me .... what can I do?

didldidi Fri 29-Jul-11 16:16:00

you could ring and ask I suppose but the chances are they will probably just give you the usual "we had so many applicants blah blah blah". Is all your relevant experience recent?

SAHMlikeitHOT Fri 29-Jul-11 23:05:29

Was thinking may be had to make reference to some form of discrimination eg age????

SAHMlikeitHOT Fri 29-Jul-11 23:05:51

Was thinking may be had to make reference to some form of discrimination eg age????

flowery Sat 30-Jul-11 10:08:32

Do you have any reason to believe there was some kind if discrimination? Have you asked the employer for feedback?

potplant Sat 30-Jul-11 10:31:28

What makes you think that they have discriminated against on grounds of your age? Do you have any concrete facts about this?

Asking for feedback is a good idea, it might be that your CV doesn't bring out your skills well enough. You probably wont get much response but its worth asking.

but I don't think you stand much of a chance challenging their decision not to interview, just because you think you're perfect for the job, without coming across as a complete loon tbh.

MovingAndScared Sat 30-Jul-11 10:32:52

it would be worth ring up and getting but I would say in this enviroment its very competative -and me and some fellow job seekers have applied for loads of jobs which we were quite capable of doing - had all the essentials - and didn't get shortlisted simply because of the number of applicants
Re age - the only thing you can is make sure you DOB isnt on your application, and its not imediataly obvious - although of course anyone who can add can normally make a good guess

SeverusandLilysLoveChild Sat 30-Jul-11 10:35:04

Email them and ask why

ivykaty44 Sat 30-Jul-11 10:35:08

telephone and ask for advice on application form as you thought you would have been interviewed and would like to have constructive ideas of where you could improve.

cjbartlett Sat 30-Jul-11 10:37:23

It is a fact universally acknowledged that most jobs go to people the employer already knows sad

woodpeckers Sat 30-Jul-11 10:47:26

I had the same thing happen - there was absolutely no reason I shouldn't even have got as far as any interview, but didn't. Since heard that it was already decided who was having it, they were just going through the motion.

I would say do like I did, hold your head up high, and think if that's how they behave would you want to work for them anyway? Hopefully something better is just around the corner smile

magicmummy1 Sat 30-Jul-11 13:47:02

Maybe you didn't put the application together properly? There is definitely a technique to this, but so few people seem to realise this. Shortlisting is essentially a box-ticking exercise, and if you don't make it easy for them to tick all the boxes, you won't get shortlisted. Simple!

A lot of people seem to expect employers to read between the lines but the ones who get shortlisted are those who are really explicit about how they meet the criteria set out in the person spec, and don't leave anything to chance. If you're sifting through a couple of hundred applications, you haven't got a lot of time for each one, so the ones who make it really easy are a godsend!

I've probably rejected tons of people who were perfect for the job but if they don't do justice to themselves on the application, they won't get invited to interview.

Thumbwitch Sat 30-Jul-11 14:22:48

agree with cjbartlett. Chances are they already had someone in mind for the job but had to be seen to go through the motions of doing it the proper way.

Hope you have better luck next time. smile

motherinferior Sat 30-Jul-11 14:29:30

I agree more with magicmummy1. I spell out exactly why and how I meet each criterion, with examples from my past experience.

zipzap Sat 30-Jul-11 15:21:53

Maybe they decided they would do 10 interviews, went through the 1st 100 or so applicants and discovered they alreadyhad 30 applicants that would be great for the post so they shortlisted the best 10 of those and didn't even bother to open the other 900 applications regardless of whether or not theremightbe othe fab candidates.

It is worth ringing them to ask why you didn't get shortlisted. I know someone who thought they were perfect for a job but didn't get an interview. Scenario above had happened but as he had taken the initiative they added him onto the list as he talked well and convinced them. He ended up getting the job!

What's the worst that could happen? Somebody you don't know will think you are a bit forward for asking them a question when they are busy. Best case you get an interview and then the job. In the middle you get some feedback about why others were even more perfect for the job and how youcould improve your own application for next time.

magicmummy1 Sat 30-Jul-11 16:11:42

CJ and thumbwitch, I am involved in recruitment and often have someone in mind for the role, but it's never a done deal and if someone better comes along, they get the job - I can think of several situations in which I have chosen an unknown candidate over and above someone who I'd previously had in mind for the job.

It happened to me, too - after starting my current job, I discovered that everyone - including the interview panel - had assumed it would go to an internal candidate who had been acting up in the role for a year already. However, I did much better at interview and they didn't feel that they could justify giving it to her over me so they didn't. Bad luck for her because she had assumed she had it in the bag, but evidence, at least, of an open-minded recruitment policy.

I often encourage internal applicants to apply for vacancies for which I think they'd be suitable, but if I'd already made up my mind, I wouldn't waste time and money on going through the motions of an external recruitment exercise - it isn't required by law so what would be the point?

Thumbwitch Sat 30-Jul-11 23:19:59

When I worked in the NHS, it was required to go through the motions, even if there was an internal candidate expected to get the role. My lab boss even told us that they had to do it, even though they were going to give the job to someone internally. So that's just my experience - it's probably different out in the commercial world, I have no experience of that - but I've seen it happen.

TheFarSide Sat 30-Jul-11 23:32:24

I've applied for several jobs recently for which I'm sure I would have got an interview 15 years ago - all the criteria ticked, and I know how to fill out application forms. I have wondered about ageism, but I have a friend of a similar age (in a different sector) who has had several interviews. I do actually believe there are a lot of people in the job market at the moment and employers have so many applicants to choose from they can go for perfect matches - people who not only match the criteria, but who also were doing a very similar job in a very similar company. I would ask for feedback but I don't think you'd get very far accusing them of ageism.

SAHMlikeitHOT Sun 31-Jul-11 19:30:44

Thanks to all for these replies - I appreciate I may come across like a complete loon ! wink

flowery Sun 31-Jul-11 19:54:42

Any chance of an answer to the questions SAHM? Do you have reason to believe there was some kind of discrimination?

SAHMlikeitHOT Tue 02-Aug-11 17:04:36

Well, I am old!!! (And super-qualified with lots of experience)

flowery Tue 02-Aug-11 21:35:21

Well that's not an awful lot to base a claim on...

Have you asked for feedback yet?

acatcalledfelix Tue 02-Aug-11 21:44:42

I'm in the NHS too, and here if someone meets everything in the job spec in their application form then we have to interview them. You omit something from the "essential" criteria list (even by mistake) then you won't get looked at.
They also usually specify that if they've got an "adequate" number of applications then they'll close before the deadline.
So, here, it's pretty easy to find out why you haven't been shortlisted for an interview.

northerngirl41 Thu 04-Aug-11 16:12:51

Well for my old boss any application/CV with a spelling mistake in it got automatically discarded. Get someone to check your application/CV for typos.

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