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GracieW Sat 23-Jun-12 21:49:06

How much time does your Year 5 DC spend working for this (either tutoring or homework)?

Just want to get an idea of the time commitment...


CouthyMow Sun 24-Jun-12 09:43:49

I do 10 min Bond exercises with him EVERY day. At weekends he works o longer tasks, a Maths one one day, a Literacy one the next.

I will be doing more intensive work over the summer holidays, especially as he is at his dad's for 3 weeks of the Hols, and in our area, until the Government changed it, we weren't expecting to have him sit the test till November, it's the third week of September now!

No formal tutoring, as we can't afford it. Will be buying the past papers pack from CSSE when registration for the 11+ opens on 2nd July, to be worked on over the summer holidays.

kilmuir Sun 24-Jun-12 11:19:09

Whats CSSE?

blametheparents Sun 24-Jun-12 19:42:21

During year 5 DS did about 1.5 - 2 hours work a week for the 11 plus

During the summer holidays he did 1 hour 5 days a week with 2 days off each week.

He passed.
not sure if that helps!

GracieW Sun 24-Jun-12 20:43:48

Thanks all - DS is currently doing an hour's paper every week but I don't think it's enough and looking at your answers it isn't!!

KitKatGirl1 Mon 25-Jun-12 22:43:20

Surely it depends on what kind of pass mark he needs. Is it a 'super' selective/one where the places are only allocated to those with the best 120/150/180 (however many places) marks, or one with a straight pass/fail mark and places then allocated on distance etc? If the latter then I think you should only be doing an hour or so a week for a few months (grammar schools in our area - pass mark of about 86% combined required - say that children should do no more than 6/8 practice papers in total) otherwise I/they would say that they are not really 'grammar school material'. Obviously if the competition is for the best pass mark possible, then that is a different story!

mumzy Tue 26-Jun-12 14:50:23

I know someone who did 4 hours each week for 2 years then 5 hours a day throughout the summer holidays of year five. He got into Tiffin!

mumzy Tue 26-Jun-12 14:52:16

Just reread your post i think he had 1hr week tutoring and 3 hours practise.

WoodRose Tue 26-Jun-12 15:26:09

My neighbour is a piano teacher and a number of her pupils are being tutored for North London super selectives and independent London day schools. They have on average 2 hours per day of diy and professional tutoring as well as spending 4 hours every Saturday at a tutoring centre. These children would have started their preparation in the spring of year 4 at the latest.

Hardboiled Tue 26-Jun-12 18:26:18

Sorry but these are horror stories. 5 hours a day during the hols? Four hours in a saturday school for two and a half years? Do these children do other things, like playing, reading, music, climbing trees or

WoodRose Tue 26-Jun-12 18:45:36

Hardboiled Agree, it is hideous. sad

DS is very keen to go to City Boys for secondary school but I really don't rate his chances when the competition is being prepared to such an extreme extent. I have told him that it is fine with me if he wants to put in that amount of work, but I certainly won't be making him do it! Needless to say, DS decided that 2 hours of extra work per day after school wasn't really for him. grin

CouthyMow Tue 26-Jun-12 18:54:46

CSSE are the consortium of Grammar schools in Essex.

CouthyMow Tue 26-Jun-12 18:56:29

Yes, DS1 does lots of other things, like footy training, playing his computer games, reading, playing out the back and having water fights etc, but the only Grammar local to us is a super-selective. They only take the top 90 the COUNTY.

CouthyMow Tue 26-Jun-12 18:57:06

We started prep at the start of Y3...

abc73 Tue 26-Jun-12 18:59:47

DS1 did a Bond minute test every morning in term time, and about half an hour a day during the summer holidays (not weekends or our week away). He passed the Kent Test with 140 (maximum standardised score) in each paper.

Greythorne Tue 26-Jun-12 19:06:55

This is.... An eye opener!

Out of interest, are your children naturally motivated to do 1, 2 hours work at the weekend or do you gave to find ways to motivate them, and if so, what do you do?

CouthyMow Tue 26-Jun-12 19:17:56

I used to trade 30 minutes decent prep work for 30 minutes computer he is at the end of Y5 and can see the exam date creeping up on him, he is self motivated. He does extra exercises that he brings home from school too, he asked the HT for them.

He is hopeful of getting a place, he is teacher assessed as a 5a in Literacy and 6b in Maths at the end of Y5. It would be brilliant for him, seeing as I am a Lone Parent on benefits, and he is on FSM's.

mumzy Tue 26-Jun-12 21:42:05

The real competition is for the superselective state grammars in and around London: Tiffin, St Olaves, HB, QE, etc and a poster on another thread puts it brilliantly hence why dc put in so much work

"if you consider over 1500 pupils take the Tiffins test (all of whom will be a level 5 minimum or most likely a level 6 SATS in all subjects) you can see this isn't a test to see who is clever enough and who isn't.

It is a test that takes 1500 kids (of whom at least 1000 will be exceptionally gifted and easily clever enough to excel at Grammar school) and whittles them down to the last 150 men standing.

There are children who take the test who achieve level 6 in all their SATS who don't get a place. With 10 - 12 applicants per place, getting just one question wrong or being a fraction too slow is the difference between getting a place and not getting one. This is where tutoring comes in - speed and accuracy as well as short cuts and familiarity might gain you 3 extra marks on your paper and that makes all the difference.

Once upon a time (and still today in some areas) the 11+ sorted children who were clever and would benefit from a grammar school education from those who would not be suited to it.

Nowadays most people do not take the 11+ exams and the test just acts to assess which of the 1000+ exceptionally bright children who apply should be chosen"

mumzy Tue 26-Jun-12 21:49:30

I don't want to put anyone off but there is insane coaching that goes on for these superselectives and I'll bet most dc who get a place would have had it.

mumzy Tue 26-Jun-12 22:06:37

woodrose just to say that also know a lad who got into city boys and their exam is nothing like Tiffins. City wants dc who are very solid academically ( think level 6 in yr 6 for maths and english) with a spark about them. However they may demand more if you're after a scholarship or bursary.

GracieW Tue 26-Jun-12 22:22:07

Good Lord. shock at some of the hours being put in. DS would be shock shock shock!!

Luckily we are in an area where there is just a pass or fail - no super selectives here.

DS can do the test but not within the time allowed. Have got some Bond tests but will have a look at the minute tests too.

Only 3 1/2 months of this madness to go grin

letseatgrandma Tue 26-Jun-12 22:25:50

We're going a maths paper, a VR paper and an English paper each week-exam is in September.

GracieW Tue 26-Jun-12 22:37:14

Are you timing them or just getting your DC accustomed to doing them?

letseatgrandma Tue 26-Jun-12 22:45:24

Mostly not timed, but I have timed the odd one, or odd sections to get him to speed up a bit! He did a timed paper at school and completed it within the time with a good score so I have eased up a bit on timing, as he's proved he can pull it out of the bag if he needs to!

I think the hardest bit will be doing the three papers one after another on the morning-keeping that pace and stamina up is going to be rather challenging sad

WoodRose Tue 26-Jun-12 22:49:34

mumzy Thanks! That is encouraging news. DS, at the end of year 5, is working at level 5 in maths and literacy so hopefully will be in the running. He is young for his year, however, and lacks the maturity and diligence of some of his older classmates. Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained! smile

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