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Calling all teachers. Question about PPA.

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clam Wed 16-Sep-09 19:06:03

Anyone have any definitive knowledge about how much PPA time a part-time teacher doing 0.6 hrs should have each week? And whether "after-school" time counts in the allocation?

And also, if we're s'posed to have it on weeks when there's an INSET or occasional day?

Many thanks.

duckyfuzz Wed 16-Sep-09 19:08:47

tes FAQ should help you

NoahDear Wed 16-Sep-09 19:09:28

aha! my thought exactly today
its 10% afaik

NoahDear Wed 16-Sep-09 19:10:42

you add the number of teahcing periods together( so over 2 weeks its 30 for me)

then divide by 10%
so 3 for me

cece Wed 16-Sep-09 19:11:09

It's 10% of your hours. I work my part time hours and get paid the 10% extra to do my PPA in my own time, so don't get any release time in school iyswim.

Lucycat Wed 16-Sep-09 19:15:01

I'm nearly 0.6 (well 0.58 actaully) , we have a two week timetable and I get two 'frees' of which I tend to lose one for 'hardly ever cover' lessons hmm and then two ppa periods.

How do you mean 'afterschool'?
I do 2.5 inset days - I get my ppa if the rest of the school is teaching, just like everyone else.

NoahDear Wed 16-Sep-09 19:16:00

god i NEED time in school , I would hate that " do it at home" thing

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:10:09

Is this 10% of the 1256 contracted/directed hours per year. And 0.6 of that? I'm not sure what my hours are per week. I do 3 full days in a primary school, but get one afternoon (i.e. 2 teaching hours) a fortnight. I'm not sure but I don't think that's enough, unless the HT is counting the extra time after school until I would go home (usually 5.30).

And none of us gets PPA time during any week where there is a bank holiday, an INSET day or an occasional day. It's been suggested by a friend that that's irrelevant. Which is why I thought I'd ask on here.

NoahDear Wed 16-Sep-09 20:11:54

no of teahcign lessons
not form tiem etc

DebiTheScot Wed 16-Sep-09 20:14:59

I do point 6. We have 6 periods a day and full time staff get 5 'frees', 2 of those are ppas I think. I get 3 'frees' and 1 is ppa.

I only work the insets that are on days I work anyway (I don't do bits of days, just 3 full days)

TeamEdward Wed 16-Sep-09 20:15:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:15:32

BTW, thanks, have just checked out the TES link. Not sure I'm that much wiser however!

elliepac Wed 16-Sep-09 20:17:59

It's 10% of teaching lessons. We have a 50 period teaching timetable a fortnight. We are entitled to 5 PPA hours per fortnight. To be fair at our place we never get used for cover in our PPA. Extra time after school should not be counted afaik. To me it doesn't sound quite enough but my maths is crap so don't quote me on that. You are entitled to 10% of your teaching time in PPA so as you have 0.6 timtable you are entitled to 10% of 0.6 whatever the hell that is. grin

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:23:45

But doesn't the 1265 figure include "directed hours" after school (up to 4:30)? Or was that idea ditched? Dunno, as I have always stayed til 5:30 or 6 anyway. Plus bringing stuff home.

Too wimpy to do anything about it anyway. Although some other part-time colleagues are beginning to mutter about it.

Also, some people get a whole morning (3 hours + whereas others an afternoon (only 2)

sarararararah Wed 16-Sep-09 20:27:39

I'm 0.6 in a Primary school. I get 1hr 35 PPA per week. But we still get PPA time in a week where there is a bank holiday, inset etc. So no, you're not getting enough time!

elliepac Wed 16-Sep-09 20:27:42

the 1265 figure does include directed time. In my school, this is one meeting a week (an hour), parent's evening, duties, open evenings, and 15 mins at the end of every school day. PPA should be not include this afaik at least they certainly don't include this at my place.

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:29:57

SO, accordning to my dodgy maths, I should be getting around 1.6 hours a week. Which should be rounded up to the next 30 mins, making 2 hours - a week?

Hmmn....

duckyfuzz Wed 16-Sep-09 20:31:01

'PPA time must be no less than 10% of the teacher’s timetabled teaching time'

Yes, it is part of the directed time thing, but not a % of the 1256 hours, iyswim

what hours do you work and what ppa do you currently get?

duckyfuzz Wed 16-Sep-09 20:33:50

ooops mised your earlier post, sorry!

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:34:24

3 full days pw. And I get 2 hours (one afternoon) a fortnight, excluding non-full weeks (e.g. term starts/ends INSETs etc...)

duckyfuzz Wed 16-Sep-09 20:36:46

the 1.6 needn't be rounded up if it is given as one block, only if it is split as the minimum block is 30 mins, so so long as you get 1.6 all at once each week its ok, or 3 hours a fortnight...

CallSignCharlie Wed 16-Sep-09 20:39:02

Hi

I work 0.6 in a Primary . I have just had my PPA upped to 1 hour 20 mins a week (from 1 hour) as apparantly it wasn't enough.

AFAIK before and after school time and breaks are not counted . It is 10% of teaching time (different to directed time)

duckyfuzz Wed 16-Sep-09 20:41:07

yes breaks, assemblies etc not included, so add up the number of hours you spend teaching e.g. 9-12, 1-3 = 5 hours x 3 = 15 hours = 1.5 hours ppa

clam Wed 16-Sep-09 20:41:11

OK. Interesting. The thing is, 1 hour 20m a week (or 2 hours 40 mins a fortnight) is not so easy to organise when the afternoons are 2 hours long.

roisin Wed 16-Sep-09 20:43:10

At our primary teachers get one 'half day' each week. So if you are working 3 days per week, then a half day a fortnight isn't quite enough.

Over a 10 week period, you would work 30 days, but should have 3 days, or 6 half days as PPA time.

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