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kidsrgreat Mon 13-Oct-08 10:06:41

My little girl has just started school in the reception class.
She had some toileting accidents during the first couple of weeks , anxiety over the toilets and fear of the dark.
last week the sch phoned to say she had an accident and I found her left laying on the classroom floor , withdrawn and in all her soiled clothes. Staff said they didn't have the facilities to deal with it.
is this acceptable ?

cory Mon 13-Oct-08 10:57:38

No! What do they mean- facilities to deal with it??? Couldn't somebody just have mopped up her tears and given her some spare clothes? Every classroom should have a few old clothes out of Lost Prop for emergencies.

For goodness sake, it doesn't take vast facilities, does it? A few accidents are to be expected at this age. Dd was still wetting herself as late as Yr 3- and the teacher dealt with it very tactfully and considerately.

Did noone try to help and comfort the poor little mite?

anyoneelse Mon 13-Oct-08 11:23:52

What sort of accidents are we talking about? At our school they are reluctant to deal with messy poo accidents unfortunately. And if child wont/cant sort themselves out they will call parents. I was unhappy about this as I am not always at home in case of such a call! But fortunately it hasnt been an ongoing problem as DD has not had such any accidents for long time.

If she was just wet then I do not know why they couldnt have helped her. They ought to have spare clothes for this.

verywiseowl Mon 13-Oct-08 11:30:56

DS also has some toilet worries since starting Reception.

He did soil his pants in his 2nd week, which as he didn't tell anyone meant he got a bit yucky before his teacher realised. School has a policy that they won't clean up children themselves so he had to do this, but an adult did check he was ok and had done a reasonable job in cleaning himself up. And they gave him clean pants and trousers and bagged up his dirty ones.

But DS's school has a dedicated nursery nurse in each Reception class, which I think is a REALLY good idea.

I'd be totally horrified that a child was just left.

dilemma456 Mon 13-Oct-08 15:36:10

Message withdrawn

MABS Mon 13-Oct-08 16:44:06

i am horrified

kidsrgreat Mon 13-Oct-08 17:07:14

Fearful of dark as the loo light isn't on when the door is opened . it's on a timer thingy , so children have to step right inside before it comes on and no external windows in toilet.

My child had spare clothes, wipes and pants in bag for " Accidents ".

head said staff can refuse to change children as it's not in their job description , but an early years class with full time teaching assistant in each ??!!!

mumto2andnomore Mon 13-Oct-08 17:35:49

Im a early years teacher and its true that we care advised not to change children for child protection reasons. That said we would never leave a child in a mess, we would either change the child with 2 of us present or talk them through cleaning themselves up.
I would ask that they do something about the light stuation, I would imagine that would worry a lot of young children.

Reallytired Mon 13-Oct-08 17:52:38

Not changing soiled children goes against the disablity discrimination act.

https://czone.eastsussex.gov.uk/supportingchildren/childcare/support/Documents/SupportingPersonalDev elopmentcontinenceleaflet.pdf

look at page 3.

"Having admitted a child to your setting you need to ensure that the child is well cared for, including changing a child’s nappy and clothing when necessary. Asking parents of a child to come and change a child is likely to be a direct contravention of the DDA, and leaving a child in a soiled nappy for any length of time pending the return of the parent is a form of abuse."

If you look on page 4 there is no reason why it requires two adults to help a dirty child to change. The old "child protection" issue is just an excuse for being lazy and changing a dirty child.

"Child protection
The normal process of changing a nappy should not raise child protection concerns, and there are no regulations that indicate that a second member of staff should be present to ensure that abuse does not take place – OFSTED & CRB checks are carried out to ensure the safety of children with staff employed in childcare & education settings. Parents, carers and students on placement should not change a nappy unsupervised."

My son has never had an accident at school, athough he was once violently sick and needed a total change of clothes including pants. Thankfully his school has a kinder policy and are prepared to help a child completely change their clothes if necessary.

Why is it that early years teachers are sympathetic to my son being deaf, but not sympathetic to a lack of bladder control.

anonandlikeit Mon 13-Oct-08 21:14:35

Poor little thing, surely thats neglectful to leave a child in that state.

At ds2's school the teachers & assistants are all willing & do help clean up & change the children after accidents.
The first I knew about ds2's accident was when the teaching assistant came out carrying a bag with his soiled clothes.

If a small school with a high ration of children with SN's can manage to accommodate young children having accidents i'm sure they all can.

If 4 yr olds are expected to go to school then the schools should accept that they are going to behave like 4 yr olds & have accidents.

TheYearOfTheCat Mon 13-Oct-08 21:50:53

Poor wee mite. I would have been so cross. Perhaps you could have a word with the teacher to ascertain what happened - maybe they tried to help but your DD was too embarrassed? I know my 3yr gets really embarrassed and pushes people away.

And ask them to sort out the lights - get your DD to ask them to escort her to the toilet if they won't sort out the timer.

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