Where is the state education going to end with all the cuts ?

[user1495443009]

What's going to happen with the state education in the UK with all the funding cuts.?

A teacher friend told me her school already reduced one hour on Fridays to save money. Another friend said her son have his sport club stopped due to funding; hi is secondary school.

It is very sad this country is going backwards.

[Kazzyhoward]

The "cuts" are a correction to over-spending in the past and won't last forever. Whether the intention of improved efficiency and reduced waste has or hasn't worked in another topic. Some would say that those in charge of spending have targeted the wrong targets, not improved efficiency and have instead wrongly cut the core services that have a bigger impact for political reasons.

Sooner or later, the spending will start to increase again and will hopefully be spent on things which will improve education rather than just be spent on vanity projects and all manner of waste and inefficiency.

[Ta1kinPeece]

Kazzy
Which aspects of education had excess spending in the past?

SLT salaries : now totally out of control due to Academies

wages : NMW legislation and AE has increased the wages bill by around 10% with no funds from government to cover it

Changes in the curriculum : cost a fortune to implement, never properly evidenced

The austerity model is entirely ideological
it has no basis in macro economics
and is doing massive long term harm to the country

hopefully be spent on things which will improve education
DEFINE

[gillybeanz]

It will end up with parents having to pay for their kids equipment and books, no free extra curricular activities run by school.
fewer trips, far less classroom support if any, and fewer non teaching staff in schools and the LA.
A return to the 70's and early 80's where publicly educated people will form bands and tell our wc kids that they don't need an education.
Just as Pink Floyd did.

[allegretto]

It will end up with parents having to pay for their kids equipment and books, no free extra curricular activities run by school.
fewer trips, far less classroom support if any, and fewer non teaching staff in schools and the LA.

This. I live in another European country which has had years of underfunding of schools and this is where we are now.

[Str4ngedaysindeed]

gillybeanz 😁😁😁 Don't forget Genesis!

[GetAHaircutCarl]

It's going to end in the reversal of all the good work that's been done to widen access to the most competitive universities and the most competitive industries!!!!

[MayhemandMadness01]

It will end when the results take a nosedive and we fall in the international tables.

[Ta1kinPeece]

Don't bet on that one .....
it will be used as a reason to increase selective schools

what SHOULD be done is the admission that a low tax economy has low services or high debt

either we have to accept ever increasing debt
OR
we have to accept that taxes need to rise
OR
we have to accept dire public servies

[ALittleMop]

It's part of a not well concealed plan to privatise all education provision (and land) through the Academies programme
(as are the curriculum changes and testing regime)

Part of the general asset-stripping agenda

If you recall a couple of years ago Nicky Morgan was planning forced conversion to academies for all schools - this was resisted, but the ideas is to underfund all schools until they cannot possibly achieve the test outcomes now expected.

[GetAHaircutCarl]

I agree ta1kin.

I think we have sleep walked into this situation. State schools simply cannot be expected to properly educate pupils on the current budgets. Nor can they cope with the teacher shortage.

The results of the budget cuts at sixth form were very evident this year.

[outofmymind26]

No idea about what's going to happen tbh. But we have been asked to make a donation to the school every year per child.

[gillybeanz]

Looking back to my education lack of investment in education had a knock on effect outside the classroom too.
Fewer providers for extra curricular activities because only a few could afford them.
A lack of LA employees meant that no truancy officer/ welfare existed to bring you into school if you didn't attend.
I unofficially left school at 14, put two fingers up to the crap system, only going in to sit CSE's as parents would have to pay if you didn't turn up.
Needless to say I left school with nothing.
It wasn't my parents fault, they thought I was going.
The teachers didn't care and I don't blame them, when they were working under those conditions.
Is anybody worried about funding that is currently used for safe guarding, there was nothing like this until quite recently.

[Ankleswingers]

Is that you Jeremy?

[gillybeanz]

Ta1kin

Do you mean selective private schools, because I thought the gov had abandoned the idea of grammar schools.
I did an air punch because the lovely giraffe educated me into why they were such a bad idea. I was pro grammar for the wc, believing it would provide social mobility.

[Ta1kinPeece]

Gilly
I thought the gov had abandoned the idea of grammar schools.
If the Tories stay in power, there is no such thing as "policy"
just random ideas tried out for a while

if the Tories could get rid of state schools I'm sure some - like Rees-Mogg - would vote for it

[gillybeanz]

ta1kin

Thanks for the reminder, of course that's exactly what tories do. I've lived through enough now.
Who the hell votes for them?

[BoneyBackJefferson]

As I see it the government will continue to force schools to become academies.

The academy chains will force teachers to do even more for less until they leave and your children will be taught by low wage people who want a short term job until they find something better.

If you are lucky you will get pre-grad students who want something 'interesting' on their CV's.

[mrsmuddlepies]

There will be a struggle to attract and retain well qualified teachers. Teaching has traditionally drawn on women with children who wanted to work school friendly hours. Now that so many employers are encouraging employees to work from home, teaching will lose its appeal. As will those jobs that involve face to face contact such as nursing.

[OlennasWimple]

Schools across much of Europe and North America require students to bring in class supplies every year, such as their own notebooks and pens plus things like whiteboard markers and glue sticks for general classroom use. I'd be surprised if schools in the UK didn't end up with the same model TBH

[Ta1kinPeece]

I'd be surprised if schools in the UK didn't end up with the same model TBH
end up
already there

[gillybeanz]

A woman I work with is collecting things for her grand daughter.
Books and school supplies especially.
She is going over to Ireland near Christmas and says her dd can't afford all the supplies that are needed.

[admission]

Whilst there was a lot of shouting in the media about the cuts etc over the last few months, there has been very little publicity over the announcements in the last few days about the actual funding to schools in 2018-19 and 2019-20. No school will loose out in terms of the new national funding formula. As a school we were going to loose 2.7% now we will see a very small rise. OK it is still no where near where we would like the funding to be but it is about time many school heads etc stopped bleating about the lack of funding and concentrated on the task of setting an affordable budget for 2018-19 with their governing body.
Today I have seen comments by the lib dem spoke person for education that one school in Oxfordshire had approached the local food bank for donations for the pupil's lunches. For all sorts of reasons that is crazy and shows to me that too many schools have a lot to learn on budgeting rather than spending! The four schools that I am involved with are all viable, all set a budget that is sustainable and are certainly not in areas where funding is anywhere near the levels it reaches in Greater London area.

[OlennasWimple]

Ta1kin - I'm not aware of any state schools in England that send home a comprehensive list of books, folders, pens and pencils that all students must bring in on the first day of the new school year; continue to chase parents who have not provided the right folders through the start of term; and dock marks from students' grades if they don't have the right equipment. Are you?

[BoneyBackJefferson]

but it is about time many school heads etc stopped bleating about the lack of funding and concentrated on the task of setting an affordable budget for 2018-19 with their governing body.

Unless you are aware of the situation of every school in England, this is just a generalisation.

[GetAHaircutCarl]

I would rather SLTs be honest about the current state of affairs than present the changes that are having to be introduced as A Good Thing.

The refusal to engage reasonably about problems in state education by many of its supporters has masked an attack that has left the system unfit for purpose.