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31st August born... Can I keep back a year? Thanks!

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SabsMatthews Wed 03-May-17 15:30:25

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angeldiver Wed 03-May-17 15:33:22

I might be wrong, but as I understand it, the child has to leave primary at age 11. It is exceptional reasons that a child is allowed to remain after that.
So, if you kept your dc back a year, they'd have to go up to yr7 at the end of yr5.
I shall wait to stand corrected blush

SabsMatthews Wed 03-May-17 15:36:01

But he would be leaving primary at 11 as he would turn 12 in the summer holidays.

LIZS Wed 03-May-17 15:42:14

How old is your dc now? If he/she has n't started reception yet you may be able to hold back a year although it is still unusual in practice in England and the norm would be to start with peer group, some of whom will be 364 days older. Alternatively accept the place for his peer group year and wait to start until January or Easter.

angeldiver Wed 03-May-17 15:57:20

Yes, technically he would be 11 but the age runs from Sept 1st to Aug 31st, so he would be 12.
What are your concerns?

I have a mid August born.

SabsMatthews Wed 03-May-17 16:06:17

He's not at school yet. My issue is he was premature... So he was due at the end of September.

angeldiver Wed 03-May-17 16:14:55

I would look into starting him later on in the year, as a p.o. suggested, rather than a whole year late.
My friend has a 29 weeker who she moved to a different school that was better suited to him. He's not statemented but lacks concentration. He moved to a more relaxed school and he is thriving.

angeldiver Wed 03-May-17 16:15:46

Pp that would be, not post office wink

MrsCharlesBrandon Wed 03-May-17 16:20:32

I would also look to start him a bit later rather than taking him out for a year. I may be wrong but i think that if you waited till he was 5 he would have to start in yr1, thereby missing a whole year of creating friendships and getting used to being in school.
Reception tends to be easygoing anyway, and there will no doubt be others in the same boat. My DD2 is a late August baby and there were at least 2 others younger than her in her year group.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler Wed 03-May-17 16:27:08

Yes, you can defer starting Reception for 12 months.

A good friend of mine has done this with her twins, who were summer born & premature (also due in September).

They will turn 5 this July and start Reception class in September.

They had to apply to their LEA for permission to defer, which was obviously granted.

I'm not sure what the arrangements for moving up to secondary school will be. My friend is a teacher herself, so I'd be very surprised if she hasn't already thought of this aspect.

Come to think of it, DS2 is in Year 11. One of his class mates (so same year group) turned 16 in August last year. No idea what the circumstances of him being in the "wrong" year group are/were - but it clearly can be possible.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler Wed 03-May-17 16:29:25

That said - my own DD is August born and started Reception class at 4 years & 2 weeks. It did seem very young at the time, but she has coped really well.

Ontopofthesunset Wed 03-May-17 16:31:02

I think LA's tend to consider each case on an individual basis so you might need to demonstrate why in particular your child would benefit from deferring.

ECR123 Wed 03-May-17 16:32:14

I'm born a week before your DS and was 2 months premature. I was one of the youngest in my year but it was never a hindrance or a problem.

In hindsight I'm happy that I was the youngest rather than the eldest - but that's just personal preference!

Draylon Wed 03-May-17 18:30:48

Things must have changed! I understood it was cast in stone that you had to be 'in year' (i.e. if you kept your Aug 31st DC out of school, they had to start in Y1, not R), unless very exceptional circumstances could be demonstrated.

IMO, if you can defer, do so.

Your DC might not need to but being at 'the top' of their year age-wise statistically pretty much always benefits the DC over the youngest DC in the year.

You'll get posts saying 'But my August born DD (emphasis on 'D') has done brilliantly (therefore all August born DC will fly...), ignoring the fact that something like 75% of Oxbridge entrants were born Sept-Dec.

Draylon Wed 03-May-17 18:32:51

FTR I was the second youngest in my GS year; being one of 3 shoved out of primary a year early due to overcrowding. I'm early Dec born!

Y7-9, 10, not such a big issue; Y10-13, having 17 year old friends when you were 15; 18 when you're 16... Hmm.

Wouldn't recommend it, personally, though of course, it works for some.

JamieFraserskneewarmer Wed 03-May-17 18:36:08

You may also need to consider what the position is if you are in a grammar school area and thinking that he might to the 11+. A friend kept her daugher back (very similar birthday to your son) and then found she wan't allowed to sit the 11+ since she was "out of year"

talulahbelle Wed 03-May-17 18:37:55

It's your right to start your child in school at Correct School Age - the term AFTER they turn 5. School is not compulsory before this. At CSA the school have to argue/demonstrate why Yr1 would be better than reception for your child. .
We are currently considering this for my July born DD, but we are also considering taking up the place in reception the September after she turns 4 and then only sending her part-time.
There's a really helpful Facebook group about it all, can't remember the name offhand though.

KatherinaMinola Wed 03-May-17 18:38:31

The Tories did recently change things Draylon - or rather they recommended that LEAs be a bit more relaxed about allowing summerborns to defer and start in YR. A friend of mine deferred with no problem.

PatriciaHolm Wed 03-May-17 18:53:22

The ease of this will essentially come down to which LEA you are in, and the approach they are taking to summer born admissions flexibility.

Your child does not have to start education until the term after they turn 5. In this case, that would be the Sept after he turns 5, which would normally place him in Yr 1. You can request he is deferred a year, and the admissions authority have a duty to consider that request on its own merits (they cannot have a blanket ban).

Different LEAS approach this differently though. Some have effectively said fine, it's up to the parents to decide, so any request is granted; others have said no, it's still our decision and we are going to set a high bar on deciding whether to allow it.

You don't have a right to part time education either; this is down to discussion with the school, but they don't have to allow it.

So if you are interested, it is best to start the conversation as early as you can in order that you can get a feel for what the LEA's attitude is likely to be.

DENMAN03 Wed 03-May-17 19:23:09

My birthday is on 31st August. Was the youngest in my year but it didn't affect me in anyway at all. I wouldn't worry about it.

DrDiva Wed 03-May-17 19:44:37

My DS went up a school year by being 2 months prem. we let him enter in his year of birth rather than due date. He is just finishing reception and is doing fine.
HOWEVER. He is very tall - the tallest in his class, and third tallest in the cohort. he is also in a school that suits him on the whole. And we are both teachers and have grandparents and aunts who also are, so he is kind of surrounded by education! We really thought about this, and I think it does depend a lot on the school and the cohort. I think we were lucky.

fannydaggerz Wed 03-May-17 19:57:39

Depending on the birthday. My son will have 3 in his class who will have recently turned 12 in P7 before they move onto secondary school.

catslife Wed 03-May-17 20:00:27

My issue is he was premature... So he was due at the end of September.
My understanding is that the effect of being premature is greatest for the smallest babies i.e. those born earlier than 28 weeks with birth weight less than 1kg.
Having said that the premature baby society Bliss may have more up to date info about the effect of prematurity on education and delaying entry to school see link www.bliss.org.uk/starting-school-from-september-2016

cantkeepawayforever Wed 03-May-17 21:06:16

fanny, Scotand has a significant history of allowing deferral - in fact for deferral to be a) quite common and b) something seen to be educationally advantageous by parents.

In England, until recently, the push has been to get children into school, or school-like pre-school settings, early to 'give them a head start', and deferral has been rare, esopecially because essentially a child deferring for a full year had to enter year 1 not Reception.

This is changing now at primary entry age, with more summer-borns deferring. HOWEVER, IME this change has not fed through to the primary - secondary transition, with it still being very unclear whether the child has to skip Y6 or Y7.

f considering deferral, ALWAYS establish the likely secondary school's policy on out of year admission first, before making a decision. i have taught a year-deferred child - but we had documentary evidence from all future schools that the change of year would be honoured at all transitions (3 tier system) BEFORE we made the change of year.

iseenodust Thu 04-May-17 11:13:14

How old is your DS now? If they are not meeting milestones then I would consider it but if they are then maybe not. DS is end of Aug birthday (early as planned c-section). He started school unable to read, is now in year 8 and all is fine. He has friends who are also Aug birthdays as well as others across the year. He knows he will be late to drinking & learning to drive.

My main thought now is that as he is doing well academically to have held him back a year would have lead to a very frustrated learner. Being the oldest in a school year is not necessarily desirable either.

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