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SATS A quick question???

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charlize Tue 04-May-04 14:08:23

My ds is in yr 6 and his sats are next week. Iam wondering how confidential are the exam papers??
Will his teacher have looked at them already? Or is it very strict that she opens them on the day in front of witnesses!!!!
I only ask because there is a very competitive girl in my ds class who does very usually in end of yr exams and always comes in the top 3. Her mother is a yr 6 teacher in another school. Does this mean her mother has acsses to the questions
How does this work.

Oh and just one more question does antone know when the results come back?

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:10:51

teachers are not allowed to look at them
it says in the rules and this year it categorically states that looking is malpractice - clearer than ever before this year......

results come back fist or second week in july
school have to legally report them to you

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:11:20

also the school can only open them 1 hour in advance of the test being taken at the very most

the rules are very strict

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:12:07

let me know if you want any more info....

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:16:39

wish there was an edit function when posting!
lol

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:17:25

another addition -
teachers are also not allowed to look at the completed tests although they are returned to the school after they have been marked in july

charlize Tue 04-May-04 14:28:20

Thanks popsycal that was very quick
Thats v intersesting that the teachers are not allowed to look at the completed test, Do you think they stick to that?
Are they in a sealed envelope in the heads office or something. At the risk of sounding paranoid this girls mother is the pushy parent from hell and I'll bet if she could sneak a look in her own classroom she would.
Do the results state if you came in the top percentage in the country in a certain subject?
My ds has been getting 98- 100% in maths and science mocks, and he is very keen to know.
Sadly he is only scraping a level 5 in english as his interst in this is zilch.
But he loves his maths especially.
God hope I don't sound like the pushy parent from hell Iam not honestly :0

popsycal Tue 04-May-04 14:32:28

there will be teachers who look at the completed tests - but the guidance is clear and in black and white. there is a big clamp down this year on 'malpractice' there is even a malpractice helpline too. Once they are done, they are collected in, stored under lock and key and have to be parcelled up and sent off within 48 hours of the test.

Opening the tests is very strict. We don't usually open them until about 10 minutes before. Schools are also checked up upon by the LEA (SATs Police!!!) and they come unannounced at any point during the week.

As for the results, no, you won't get told where in the country your DS is bt rest assured, if he is getting 98-100% in a test he is in the top of his age range!

charlize Tue 04-May-04 14:43:19

Oh god that sounds awful:0 honestly I don't want to know where he comes in the country. He could be 2 millionith :0
Suddenly got visions of everyone reading this thinking I want my ds in tge top 3 not of the class but of the country!!!
I just remember in yr 2 his teacher telling me he just missed being tge top something percent. I didn't question it at tge time but I was wondering how he knew.

charlize Tue 04-May-04 14:44:27

That should be :0
And Why wont my keyboard spell the!

charlize Tue 04-May-04 14:45:22

God it still hasn't worked I'll try again

Galaxy Tue 04-May-04 14:46:27

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popsycal Tue 04-May-04 15:09:04

they mark their own practice papers!!!!!

that is a new one for me......

Galaxy Tue 04-May-04 15:13:29

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aloha Tue 04-May-04 15:13:43

But the sats don't matter to the pupils, surely. They are designed to test the school, aren't they. They aren't like GSCEs which do count.

ks Tue 04-May-04 15:14:27

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popsycal Tue 04-May-04 15:15:36

BTW i am on the sick today after dragging myself in last week against the advice of my GP

So goodness knows what the little darlings are up to!

charlize Tue 04-May-04 15:51:02

Your right Aloha, The sats should be just for the school but in our school the results determin top 3 in class and every July we have a prize day with the pomp and ceromony and a big fuss made of whose 1st 2nd 3rd.
I wish it didn't happen but it does and despite us telling ds it is not important he is v copetitive and would be upset if he wasn't placed.
But Iam sure he'd get over it and as I keep telling him he's only 11 it makes no difference to him at all its not gcse's.

charlize Tue 04-May-04 15:55:26

Hope your feeling better soon popsycal.

Galaxy Tue 04-May-04 17:16:02

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Janh Tue 04-May-04 17:31:22

Is it true that secondary schools use SAT levels to stream Y7 initially?

Galaxy Tue 04-May-04 17:37:48

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Hulababy Tue 04-May-04 17:43:22

In the secondary school I work at we have streaming for Maths, English and Science. Many other subjects are also streamed but take on one of the 3 core subject 'streams'. Initailly these are done based on SATs and teacher assessments. Then in the first half term the school runs CATs (cognative ability tests). These and the SATs are then looked at again and children may or may not be moved about depending on how they match up.

Children are occasionally moced sts during the year at other times after internal exams, etc.

Hope this helps. If I remember more about this process I will come back and post when more time.

hmb Tue 04-May-04 17:45:14

I work in a secondary school and the sats results are used so that we can 'set' children. We also use internal tests and there is a fair bit of movement in the fisrt two years. We use then to minimise the repitition of work for the higher sets.

hmb Tue 04-May-04 17:45:48

We set classes half way through the Winter term

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