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## 11+ maths paper help!

(24 Posts)
amidaiwish Sat 03-Jan-15 17:10:04

despite my A at GCSE i can't help dd with this question from an 11+ practice paper...

6 lollies and 3 ice creams cost £8.52
3 ice creams and 6 drinks cost £9.24
What would be the cost of 1 lolly, 1 ice cream and 1 drink?

TIA!

CrumbsThatsQuick Sat 03-Jan-15 17:13:09

add it all together- 6 ice creams 6 lollies and 6 drinks cost 8.52 plus 9.24
then divide by 6 to find cost of 1 of each

amidaiwish Sat 03-Jan-15 17:19:11

oh fgs thank you.

here's what i was trying...
6l + 3i = 8.52
3i + 6d = 9.24
so 6l -8.52 = 3i
etc etc

CecilyP Sat 03-Jan-15 17:45:10

You were trying to find the cost of the individual items, (as might be asked in a GCSE question, though impossible from what's been given) rather than the cost of a single set of the 3 items.

fuzzpig Sat 03-Jan-15 17:52:14

That got me confused too! I always jump in with the simultaneous equation type method for those sorts of questions, but this one is more logic in a way - I hate the phrase 'think outside the box' but it's that kind of thing!

TheFirstOfHerName Sat 03-Jan-15 20:39:45

I would have tried to overcomplicate this with simultaneous equations too.

ImperialBlether Sat 03-Jan-15 20:41:35

Crumbs, that doesn't tell you the cost of each!

TheFirstOfHerName Sat 03-Jan-15 20:53:04

They're not asking for the cost of each. Just the total cost of 1 of each.

MinimalistMommi Sun 04-Jan-15 08:26:51

But it looks like lollies and icecreams combined cost less than icecreams and drinks combined?

Hakluyt Sun 04-Jan-15 08:30:40

I don't think you can do it without another "line" of facts......is there a typo?

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons Sun 04-Jan-15 08:39:51

Add the two sums together and divide by six (as the two sums are fir six lollies, six ice creams and six drinks).

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons Sun 04-Jan-15 08:42:09

PS My 7 year old got it immediately.

MinimalistMommi Sun 04-Jan-15 08:46:07

OP do you have the answer sheet for this? I would love to know the 'official' answer! My DD is doing 11 + in September...I'm not sure how she would find this question

MinimalistMommi Sun 04-Jan-15 08:48:06

Lucinda1234567 Sun 04-Jan-15 11:01:38

Well Well it seams you are clearly uneducated and should go and do your GCSE again. Anything under an A* is absolutly preposterous. The answer is so obvious I don't see how you can miss it. All my children got A* in practice GCSE papers under 9 years old. You must start in year 1 again.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons Sun 04-Jan-15 11:11:23

It's not really a maths question, it's a verbal reasoning question with a bit of simple addition and simple division thrown in.

LooksLikeImStuckHere Sun 04-Jan-15 11:16:14

Just to throw my 2p in (don't worry, it won't add to the total )...

If you suppose a lolly costs 90p then an ice cream will be £1.04.

If the ice cream is £1.04 then the cost of a drink will be £1.02.

LooksLikeImStuckHere Sun 04-Jan-15 11:22:52

That was without sitting do equations, it was by starting of by assuming the lolly was £1 and seeing if the remaining amount was divisible by 3. It wasn't so I dropped the amount by 10p and that worked.

LooksLikeImStuckHere Sun 04-Jan-15 11:44:12

doing

ImperialBlether Sun 04-Jan-15 13:16:33

I agree that there is a missing line. We need to know the cost of one item in order to know the cost of each item. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise.

titchy Sun 04-Jan-15 15:26:41

IT DOESNT ASK FOR THE COST OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM!!!! It asks for the total cost of one of each, so how much altogether would an ice cream, a lolly and a drink cost. Not how much is an ice cream; how much is a lolly and how much is a drink.

LooksLikeImStuckHere Sun 04-Jan-15 16:25:33

ALRIGHT!

I was perfectly aware that it was for all three but was suggesting a different way of working it out, because not all children work things out the same way.

titchy Sun 04-Jan-15 16:26:25

Sorry looks i was responding to imperial!

senua Sun 04-Jan-15 18:35:15

Dividing the first equation by 6 gives you
one lolly + half an ice = £1.42

Ditto second equation
one drink + half an ice = £1.54

Add the two new equations together
one lolly + one drink + one ice = £2.96

(a variation on what alpha said)

It sometimes pays to second-guess the examiner, they do like their integers. I noticed that both the currencies divided by six so I went with that and then it sort of fell into place from there.

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