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would you have a problem with an unqualified person teaching music in your school?

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goonIcantakeit Mon 23-Jun-14 20:05:36

question to both parents and teachers.

I shall be teaching classroom music next term. I'm very excited, but want to be prepared for any ill-feeling/doubts there may be about having an unqualified person teaching. It's during the teachers' PPA time.

I have a track recorder at the school in that I run an ensemble there, so I am not an unknown quantity and it is on merit.

JimBobplusasprog Mon 23-Jun-14 20:17:30

Not qualified as in not qts? I wouldn't care

Not qualified as in no musical qualifications? I'd care a bit. I'd want someone teaching my kids music to be able to play an instrument and have a good knowledge of theory

rabbitstew Mon 23-Jun-14 20:19:19

Depends what you're not qualified in!...

I'd love to know what a track recorder sounds like. wink

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:20:55

Do you play an instrument? I'd not be happy tbh - I'm a music teacher and see this as an insult to my professional ability. Not a personal attack on you but this makes me angry. The children deserve a specialist and there are plenty of us around.

JimBobplusasprog Mon 23-Jun-14 20:25:37

I'd prefer mine to be qualified... but tbh I consider myself lucky if the kids are taught music at all. If it's not in the sats it may as well not be in the curriculum. The fact that the school sees music as a filler subject for ppa time suggests that it's not taken very seriously.

That's why my dc have lessons out of school

EdithWeston Mon 23-Jun-14 20:27:44

Do you have any music teaching qualifications in stead of QTS (eg a licentiate)?

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:29:23

Music is often taught during ppa time by schools that pay a specialist to come in and take classes while the class teachers have ppa time. This is usually a good thing (well as good as the person taking the class obviously)

morethanpotatoprints Mon 23-Jun-14 20:33:03

I have never known a music specialist in any school tbh, apart from the obvious specialist music schools.
My dd knew more than the "specialist" music teacher when she was 8 and as this is her core subject she is now H.ed
For run of the mill music in schools I see no harm tbh, its not like its even considered important in most schools. Even Gove doesn't think it important enough.

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:34:46



clam Mon 23-Jun-14 20:40:30

Well, if a school has the money to be able to employ a qualified specialist teacher for all classes, then that would be great. But in reality most don't, and music in primary classes is therefore taught by generalist class teachers who may or may not have a musical bone in their body. If it's the latter (and I've witnessed a fair few colleagues make a right hash of teaching music, to be honest), then an 'unqualified' person with a talent/passion would be preferable, in my book.

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:42:20

We're no more expensive than any other teachers. Someone has to watch the pesky kids while teachers have ppa - might as well be us.

ladygracie Mon 23-Jun-14 20:42:21

I am a qualified teacher but almost anyone would be better at teaching music than me. So no it wouldn't bother me.

goonIcantakeit Mon 23-Jun-14 20:42:55

thanks! forewarned is forearmed. No offence taken TBIR.

No, no QTS, no diploma. Just that track recorder!

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:43:46

What kind of thing will you do with them? Do you play an instrument?

goonIcantakeit Mon 23-Jun-14 20:45:21

class band.

then looking at what we've done. At how it fits together.
So garage band
upload to youtube
notate it.

All ways of looking at music.

Yes, I play instruments smile

Ericaequites Mon 23-Jun-14 20:47:09

I wouldn't care,as long as you could play the piano for singing. I have no children, but wouldn't want them taught music. I come from a long line of tin ears, and loathed music theory and instruments at my secondary school.

BackforGood Mon 23-Jun-14 20:50:29

As a teacher and a parent, I start from the point that my dc (indeed, everyone's dc) deserve to be taught by a qualified teacher for the whole of the week.
That said, I actually think a real musician may be able to teach music a lot better than a qualified teacher who hasn't a musical bone in their body. It ultimately depends though - some people are 'naturals' and others may have a musical skill but it doesn't mean they can teach.

BackforGood Mon 23-Jun-14 20:50:48

<removes splinters from backside>

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:50:49

Ah ok that sounds fine. I couldn't care less whether you've got QTS, it's when non musicians teach totally unmusical lessons that it bothers me! I am reassured that you play instruments and use some music tech too, and your ideas sound like a good start.

Will you seek some professional development? <offers services>

GarageBand is great but be careful about using YouTube due to privacy etc. Don't worry too much about notation.

Feel free to PM me if you want re resources / basic schemes of work etc.

SueDNim Mon 23-Jun-14 20:52:10

Do you have a curriculum to follow? Will you plan like a qualified teacher (short and long term planning, differentiation etc)?

clam Mon 23-Jun-14 20:53:44

Erica you don't need to be able to play the piano to teach singing.

Appletini Mon 23-Jun-14 20:56:00

Yes I would have a problem with it.

I can play instruments. Doesn't mean I know a fig about teaching, how children learn, classroom control, etc.

goonIcantakeit Mon 23-Jun-14 20:56:10

Thanks this Bitch (feels odd saying that).

I'm well networked locally but thank you.

ThisBitchIsResting Mon 23-Jun-14 20:59:26

It worries me a smidgen that you seem convinced that you can do it, without sharing very much at all. I'm not sure what responses you were expecting.

Please do try to observe and learn from experienced music teachers - you will learn a lot. Don't be blasé just because you have some musical skills. I might be reading you wrong here but you do sound a bit blasé about it. Although no wonder, given the low expectations of some parents on here and irl of what music in primary schools should look like sad

Ok I'm off before I totally out myself.

Maestro Mon 23-Jun-14 21:09:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

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