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£350 for 1 week in July term time- family of 7 - or £1100 in school holidays??

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devonvalley Wed 28-May-14 00:20:25

Yep that old term time holiday chestnut-
We are a family of 7 we can only afford to go on a Uk term time holiday, or have no holiday at all!(yes I know some do not holiday at all !)
Why is it seemed the, one holiday a year family, like us, have to be penalised , and berated?
It appears to my friends and I, that in our experiences, the people who can afford there £3000-£4000 a year on their peak season holiday, have little regard for families such as ourselves and our friends predicament, because money appears to not be an issue for them.
Travel, new experiences, and valuable family time are great educators , are they not? so when those of you who resent , parents who take our children out for 5 days once a year, spare us a thought, its most probably the only time we can afford to go.(and avoid fines by ......!)
Also when school residential trips seem to cost £270 upwards- £350 for 7 of us to go away, not just one of us seems to be preferable!

HolidayCriminal Wed 28-May-14 00:22:07

But you can't afford 5 lots of term time fees, can you? 5x120 = £600.
Actually still works out cheaper than the £1100, doesn't it?!

devonvalley Wed 28-May-14 00:25:26

Who said we will need to pay fines, like my friends, our children will have a bug or something.

mrz Wed 28-May-14 15:55:31

will all your children manage to lie when they return to school?

Pooka Wed 28-May-14 16:00:10

Because that won't be obvious? All 5 children off with bug at same time in summer term, and all of them completely managing to avoid telling their friends or teachers that they're off on holiday?

fuckinglondonballs Wed 28-May-14 16:03:05

I would say, fuck it - take them.

But don't bloody lie about it! And certainly don't expect your kids to,

Sparkle9 Wed 28-May-14 16:03:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PotteringAlong Wed 28-May-14 16:03:29

You're right, there are lots of experiences you get from travel. Are you sure that lying to people in authority when you don't like the rules is one of them?

Sparkle9 Wed 28-May-14 16:03:57

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NickiFury Wed 28-May-14 16:15:04

I would take them out and I wouldn't think twice about it. I would phone them in sick too. I would not encourage my dc to lie. If it comes up, what are they going to do exactly?

Teacher:- your ds says he wasn't sick, he says he went away on holiday.

Me:- confused really? Wonder where he got THAT from?

End of convo.

Fram Wed 28-May-14 16:24:28

I don't understand why people see holidays as a right?

Education is something people are struggling for around the world, but no- in the UK people are whining about having to send children to school and go without holidays.

I will never take my children out of school for a holiday, and if we can't afford to go away, we don't. Holidays are a luxury, not a necessity.

NickiFury Wed 28-May-14 16:33:46

Well to me holidays ARE a necessity. I like taking breaks from the grind and giving my children fab memories. I have taken my dc to Europe, the Middle East and the US, I like how their experiences are helping to shape them as they get older. I also take them camping and away for occasional nights in BnB's.

School is only part of a well rounded education imo. I think it's rather limited to see it as the only possible way, which can never be deviated from.

tiggytape Wed 28-May-14 17:26:17

School is only part of a well rounded education imo

That's true but they are only at school for 39 weeks of the year. It is already a pretty good balance.

For 13 whole weeks per year plus every single weekend they are not at school and are free to lay on a beach enjoy educational and improving experiences.

NickiFury Wed 28-May-14 17:30:56

But the point is tiggy they're are not free to do it in that time because it's too prohibitively expensive for many families.

tiggytape Wed 28-May-14 17:39:54

So what do you suggest Nicki?

For years, there was a system of discretion that relied on parents making sensible and not too frequent requests assuming other attendance was good. In return Heads could grant holidays.

This didn't work because the requests were increasingly not sensible, not infrequent and not based on otherwise good attendance.
Heads were left to decide whether to have blanket bans, blanket acceptances or to argue the point that some parents would get requests accepted and others would get requests for identical amounts of time off denied and deal with the fall out that creates.
Heads themselves said of the new changes that it had all got totally out of hand and was easier by far if the blanket ban was just the norm.

Now parents say a few spoilt it for everyone else but in truth it wasn't a few. It had become a very big problem in many schools with children missing exams, missing assessments, having 3 weeks+ of holidays even with otherwise very patchy attendance, numerous children missing over the same weeks every summer delaying new topic work and causing delays when so many needing help catching up.....
It had stopped being an infrequent thing people sometimes asked for and became seen as a right that everyone just assumed they could have their 10 days off anytime they demanded it.

NickiFury Wed 28-May-14 18:06:22

I don't actually agree it's a couple of parents who ruined it for everyone. I think it's actually the clueless Michael Gove who ruined it for everyone.

Most parents CAN be trusted to use their discretion. Perhaps some termly information of important dates and assessments would help parents to choose more wisely when they take their dc out instead of a blanket ban? Blanket punishments are never effective ime.

Surely this would be preferable to the growing resentment, lying and secrecy that is happening now between parents and schools?

In our primary school the worst offenders are those who remove their children to return to their country of origin for extended holidays. The fines mean nothing to them, they still do it.

So I will continue to trust my OWN judgement, as a parent and remove my child on the odd occasion when I feel it suits our family.

TalkinPeace Wed 28-May-14 19:15:10

For those 18 years you are constrained on when you can take your holidays
suck it up
get a life
see the big picture of the damage you are doing to your kids attitude to complying with work rules

holidays away from home are a TREAT not a RIGHT

and do not complain when those who have a work ethic take their employment opportunities

fuckinglondonballs Wed 28-May-14 19:16:54

18 years eh?

Dreary me.

mrz Wed 28-May-14 19:24:25

According to the DfE figures

During the school year 2011 to 2012 there were 1,153,770 cases of term time holidays slightly down on the previous year

831,320 pupil enrolments with agreed absence
371,660 pupil enrolments with absence that had not been agreed

SoonToBeSix Wed 28-May-14 19:26:54

My eldest is 15 youngest 3 months with dc in between that's not 18 years it's 36! And I do believe holidays are a necessity. Op just take them and I wouldn't tell the school. This policy makes me so angry. I am on holiday at the moment because we can afford it but many families cannot.

SoonToBeSix Wed 28-May-14 19:28:17

Actually it will be 37.

Lilaclily Wed 28-May-14 19:31:24

Surely you chose to have a larger family so you knew holidays would be more expensive

I chose to have 2 kids because I couldnt afford to have more

SoonToBeSix Wed 28-May-14 19:32:27

Actually it will be 37.

SoonToBeSix Wed 28-May-14 19:34:16

The policy is very new lilac how would the op have known?

42notTrendy Wed 28-May-14 19:38:39

Yy, missing school for holidays has become an issue.
And no, those who go on holiday in the holidays and pay the extra are not inconsiderate to others that can't afford it. I'll tell you what we do. Save. And go without. Or, find a holiday that doesn't cost thousands, it can be done. Holidays are a privilege, not a right. And yes, they add a lot to a child's life, but so do things that can be done for free, or cheaply.
It's little to do with Gove, it's always been the way, but over the years an increasing number of parents have been taking their children out of school for 10 days, which are again, not a right, but to be authorised at the head's discretion. Too many took the piss and now it's a blanket ban.

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