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Schools should 'provide sleepovers' to help parents with cost of childcare

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Itchyandscratchy Tue 16-Jul-13 19:28:39



morethanpotatoprints Fri 19-Jul-13 13:52:39

Er, could you imagine dc in this weather not having a shower. Poooey!

merrymouse Fri 19-Jul-13 13:44:14

The Natural History Museum offers sleepovers, too - doesn't mean it will take in kids willy nilly every day!

And why not? Surely the only thing standing between the Natural History Museum and PGL is red tape???

exoticfruits Thu 18-Jul-13 19:35:19

I was going to make a comment on the nursery 24hour idea, but I don't think I am tough enough even with a hard hat!!

rabbitstew Thu 18-Jul-13 19:33:52

Ah, but we know the government response to that one - cut all this ridiculous red tape and make it easier for nurseries to provide 24-hour care. It worked with the banks, so now introduce cutting red tape to the childcare sector. Hurrah! It will save loads of money to let them get on with it without so much supervision and fuss. Anyway, schools can provide the supervision by hosting such places - you know, those schools which no-one is supervising any more because they were outstanding last time they were inspected, many moons ago.

Tanith Thu 18-Jul-13 19:24:30

I did know of a nursery that tried to do the 24 hour thing and they were stopped by OFSTED. I think they would have been classed as a residential home and the legislation and standards they would have had to comply with made it not worth their while.

rabbitstew Thu 18-Jul-13 19:17:21

That's journalists for you - never let facts or common sense get in the way of a good fiction.

exoticfruits Thu 18-Jul-13 19:12:49

The fecking beds again. Grrr

The title of the thread is Schools should 'provide sleepovers' to help parents with cost of childcare

Knowing the exaggeration of the media though, that sleepover may have been an organised sleepover! Some schools have that not as a 'helping parents' thing - but rather like a fun residential-but-at-school activity

I can see that happening-I'm sure it has- because you just need a mattress and sleeping bag. It is however for the benefit of the child and no good at all to the parent-unless by pure chance it fits in with being away for work.

I expect school staff would do it as a one off for the DCs. It is no help to parents and it doesn't help with the cost of childcare. To be of help to parents you need a regular service, beds and separate staff. No one has said where the beds will go and no one has explained how it would be affordable.

Trigglesx Thu 18-Jul-13 19:09:02

Ooops. It was OPEN 6 days a week, we only used it 3 days a week, due to our shiftwork/days off. blush

Trigglesx Thu 18-Jul-13 19:08:25

When DD was young, DP and I used a childcare center that was open until midnight 6 days a week because we both worked evening shift. It was brilliant. Hot meals in the evening, activities for the children. And cots for them to sleep on with a mostly regular bedtime (bit later on Fridays and Saturday). They just had a couple shifts of childcare workers instead of just the dayshift workers. It was slightly more expensive than dayshift hours, but not hugely so, still affordable. And we were happy to have it available to us. They are few and far between.

Tanith Thu 18-Jul-13 18:39:21

Some childminders do overnight care and nannies often do this, too, so not sure why schools would need to host sleepovers for childcare. I wouldn't think there would be enough take-up to make it financially viable.

Tasmania Thu 18-Jul-13 18:18:20

As in... "Hey, kids. Let's do sth. fun and have a sleepover at school! Don't forget your sleeping bags!"

The Natural History Museum offers sleepovers, too - doesn't mean it will take in kids willy nilly every day!

rabbitstew Thu 18-Jul-13 18:16:37

I think the problem with the article is that it does refer to schools being good places to host these things because parents trust schools. Well, it isn't the school building they trust, is it? Therefore the article is implying parents would be OK about leaving their kids at school doing extra activities and even sleepovers because they trust the school staff to have made sure it's all kosher... That's loads more work for schools if people really expect them to be doing all that checking up. Poor old headteachers, unpaid governors et al... parents will be relying on them to provide safe, quality care 24/7, even when they aren't, and will be blaming them when things go wrong.

Tasmania Thu 18-Jul-13 18:15:59

The offering at that school is actually OK.

Knowing the exaggeration of the media though, that sleepover may have been an organised sleepover! Some schools have that not as a 'helping parents' thing - but rather like a fun residential-but-at-school activity.

I can see how the media would then spin it into something else...

aroomofherown Thu 18-Jul-13 18:13:45

I think that there is an argument for using school sports/drama/ict etc facilities for clubs after school. Not connected to school/teachers, but run by external groups.

But personally I think it's a bit of a red herring - the government should make childcare cheaper and not what can be the entire income of someone who is working, so that families can have more choice over the quality of their after school care.

Tasmania Thu 18-Jul-13 18:05:10

P.S.: My local private nursery runs from 7.00am - 6.00pm. They work on shifts (just in case people think they get worked like mad... though the above is more similar to my working hours!).

Portofino Thu 18-Jul-13 18:03:19

the school , the one school mentioned in the article as offering "occasional" sleepovers doesn't even mention this on their website.

Tasmania Thu 18-Jul-13 18:02:43

It's not teachers providing the after school care!!! How many times does that have to be said?

Basically, teachers go HOME after the normal school day once the teaching is done. The after school care is often outsourced to organisations that focus on providing childcare. Often, these are organisations that also run private nurseries.

Iwaswatchingthat Thu 18-Jul-13 18:00:22

Just lots of comments on thread saying things like - teachers claim they are already overworked so will oppose this etc.

Portofino Thu 18-Jul-13 17:58:46

The fecking beds again. Grrr.

Portofino Thu 18-Jul-13 17:58:08

Iwaswatching no one is proposing this is staffed by teachers. Just that they use the school buildings.

Iwaswatchingthat Thu 18-Jul-13 17:56:59

Sorry posted too soon! Teachers are professional people, not babysitters.
Not sure many would want to do this? Who would bath/brush teeth/change wet beds? These are all parent jobs!

Portofino Thu 18-Jul-13 17:55:05

The reality is that the govt is making a huge effort to get women into the work place - whether they want to or not in some cases. Lack of affordable wrap round childcare is a huge barrier to working for some families. We should be thinking what can be done, looking at positives, learning from other countries. This seems to be what they are doing. Using school buildings and LA sports facilities that would other wise be empty at those time is just SENSIBLE. Of course it needs to be thought about and executed properly. But it is a start.

But instead of seeing this as a positive step to help hard pushed families we get hysteria about baby farming, the view that the plan is really to get our kids left at school 24/7. The headline in the op was goady toss. The reality is someone is thinking about how to make childcare more affordable. Maybe you don't like the option. It is not obligatory after all, but it is a START.

Iwaswatchingthat Thu 18-Jul-13 17:54:58

Lots of teachers are working parents too!

LimitedEditionLady Thu 18-Jul-13 17:52:20

I will send my son to afterschool club until i finish work.why not?for two days a week i want him to.he will be with other children doing activities and playing until i pick him up.its just a club for kids.

Tasmania Thu 18-Jul-13 17:49:51

rabbitstew - I wouldn't say 'no' to the American 7-week long summer camps even at this age... or should I say 'especially' at this age as the thought of having 7 weeks of no work, but only fun seems very appealing to me (activities are endless - from art to waterskiing). DH actually once asked whether we could go instead, and leave DC with grandparents, lol.

They do cost a lot though these days - sth. like $10k+ for a 7-week period.

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