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What happened to Gove's plans on the EBacc - Backtracking?

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claig Wed 06-Feb-13 23:40:06

Humiliation? Baclktracking? Gove? Impossible!

GinandJag Thu 07-Feb-13 16:46:08

The main thing that has changed, afaics, is that there will be no exam board monopoly for each subject.

League tables will still reflect the spirit of the Ebacc, ie it will give points for grades earned in Ebacc subjects. There will be no Ebacc certificate.

Modules and resits are still history. Exams will be more rigorous.

mummytime Thu 07-Feb-13 16:44:11

tiggytape the worry is that if we roll the clock back, we will roll it back to the majority of children leaving schools with inferior or no qualifications.

We will also end up with a situation that if you were born before 1998 but after about 1976? (or maybe earlier) you will have qualifications that seem much higher than those given to people born outside those dates. If nothing has changed except the title of the exam, it will also be very hard to distinguish those who gained their qualifications in the "easy" years from the rest.

mummytime Thu 07-Feb-13 16:39:36

So does that mean that schools who want to offer an exam where the top grade is a C will have to do iGCSEs? Which I believe do have a foundation paper.

tiggytape Thu 07-Feb-13 15:34:09

Thank you prh - that is interesting. I am not sure about the extended writing part - I guess that will be the same sort of thing as we did (3 questions posed and you can choose one to write an essay on).
TBH I know so little about what GCSEs actually entail now that I find it hard to get a handle on all these changes which will in fact (it seems) return them to the type of exams we did (end of 2 years, many exam papers, answering long and short and essay style questions).
I guess the worry is that if they fiddle around with league tables as well, it may have unintended (or intended) consequences on which options are offered in schools, which children take which subjects and how many subjects they are allowed to study.

GetOrf Thu 07-Feb-13 14:33:13

OOh did Sarah Vine come on here to talk about lipstick defend Gove then? That must have been amusing.

prh47bridge Thu 07-Feb-13 14:24:08

Just for clarity, whilst there will be no EBC with a single exam board for each subject, the other changes are still happening. So there will be new GCSEs in English, Maths, the sciences, history and geography. These will be linear rather than taken in stages. Coursework will be kept to a minimum. The "foundation paper" taken by some pupils where the maximum grade is C will be scrapped. English and history will test "extended writing" and there will be fewer bite sized questions. Not defending Gove, just pointing out that many of the things some people opposed are still in place.

Regarding non-examined subjects, recent research supports the view that most schools are not dropping non-examined subjects and that most schools have no further changes planned. However, I note that Gove has today announced the introduction of a new performance measure for GCSEs covering the EBacc plus three other subjects. I haven't seen the details but the information I have seen suggests that can be any three additional subjects.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 07-Feb-13 12:14:14

The Emperor has no clothes.

Wonder if his wife will come back to MN to defend him.
I had fun baiting her last time.

I was REALLY, REALLY concerned about that Bacc thing because schools were already starting to pull non examined subjects - like Latin.
Thank goodness Gove has been stopped for once.

mummytime Thu 07-Feb-13 11:52:58

Nope the new A'levels are due to start for the current year 9. The GCSEs have already stopped any modules, from the current year 9, and have being getting "tougher" each year for the last 3 and on wards each year.
Coursework is already history, and controlled assessments really are different, but even they may be going in a lot of subjects.

This morning there was talk about making the exams less predictable; from my experience that could only happen by the old system of not necessarily testing each year on the whole syllabus.

Bramshott Thu 07-Feb-13 11:13:49

Thanks Tiggy -that's useful to know. Because DD1 hasn't moved to secondary yet this is all such a closed book to me!

SanityClause Thu 07-Feb-13 10:51:43

The "new and improved" GCSEs were supposed to start for the current year 9 (DD1's year) although I agree that they have been tinkered with in the last few years.

They are also the first class to get the "new and improved" A levels (if that happens).

The current year 7 (DD2's year) were to be the first to sit the EBacc. But will of course "benefit" from the revamped GCSEs as well.

God knows what will come along before DS (year 4) gets there.

tiggytape Thu 07-Feb-13 10:42:49

DS is in Year 7 Bramshott. Under the EBacc plans his was the first year group to be affected but I don't know if that means he'll also be the first year to get the improved harder GCSEs.

blondecat Thu 07-Feb-13 10:30:38

The LibDems. A weak PM. A coalition floundering

You would think they would thrash things out Before announcing them. Would have been less embarrassing. But no

thesnootyfox Thu 07-Feb-13 10:15:50

I'm really pleased if this is the case. The GCSEs definitely need an overhaul but scrapping them wasn't the answer.

I don't rate the man at all and am most definitely not a Tory voter. However I have more respect for someone who admits that they didn't get it right than somebody who pushes their own agenda through at the expense of our children. Nothing wrong with u-turns they are a valuable aspect of living in a democracy.

mummytime Thu 07-Feb-13 10:13:31

Twiggy that has already been happening for the past few years. Just look at GCSE English this year. I have a DS who was two marks off a C this summer (he's dyslexic) when he went into the exam, by the time the results came out he had slipped a long way down, and is still struggling to get the crucial C. His school are now looking at entering at least some pupils for iGCSE.
At for at least the last 3 years I think, something about GCSE has changed.

Bramshott Thu 07-Feb-13 09:56:45

What year is your DS in Tiggy? Just trying to work out how this all effects DD1, who's currently Y5.

basildonbond Thu 07-Feb-13 09:53:01

how long do you think Gove's got in his job? he's not really covered himself with glory has he??

tiggytape Thu 07-Feb-13 09:46:00

Groan - poor DS is in the first year of any proposed changes so we'd sort of resigned ourselves to him taking new qualifications but now it just looks like they're going to tinker with the existing GCSEs instead.

So his year group will still get GCSEs except ones with revamped (increased) content and probably graded more harshly. Without a new name, I worry it will just look like he's taken the same qualifications as all the previous year groups but with lower grades at the end. We'll have to see what the new curriculum details are I suppose.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 07-Feb-13 09:12:06

I wonder whether this is a sweetener before details of the 'more rigourous curriculum' later today?

GirlOutNumbered Thu 07-Feb-13 09:05:47

I'm glad but doubt it's a full u turn, he will be hiding something somewhere. I wait with interest.

creamteas Thu 07-Feb-13 09:03:47

It's being hailed as a U-turn but the devil is in the details......

Let hope the plan to abolish AS goes the same way. As an admissions tutor, AS grades are really important, and moving back to just relying on teacher predictions of A2 is crazy....

Mutteroo Thu 07-Feb-13 01:07:19

Apparently Gove never does U-turns? He does now!

Ghastly man who has no interest in education other than to use it to cover himself in glory. Covered himself in brown steaming stuff at the moment.

ravenAK Thu 07-Feb-13 00:15:20

Well, that's a relief.

But all that fuss just for his attention-seeking. WHAT a prick.

claig Thu 07-Feb-13 00:07:13

It looks like it wasn't thought through and there was lots of opposition to it from different quarters. Doesn't inspire confidence, a bit like it was drawn up on the back of fag packet. Quite amazing.

muminlondon Thu 07-Feb-13 00:00:10

That's interesting - hasn't been reported in the Guardian like this but haven't heard his direct response to the select committee flagging up concerns. Or to reports of his political advisers at the DfE rubbishing Guardian and FT journalists on Twitter. The Guardian today seemed to suggest he was sticking two fingers up at the Labour Party (calling all his opponents Trots again?) but no sign of a climb down. So it could come down to EU competition law opposing a monopoly on exam boards? What a relief!

claig Wed 06-Feb-13 23:57:34

Turning? He'll have teh Tory benches gurning.
How will he talk his way out of this one.

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