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Performance Related Pay - a good thing right?

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StarlightMcKenzie Tue 15-Jan-13 23:12:18

especially the bit about being able to keep the better teachers in the classroom.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 16-Jan-13 22:15:00

I am familiar with Khan academy and ABA. Like many teachers, I'm a behaviourist at heart. We measure, we reinforce, we modify and shape. It's what we do, have always done really, and now do explicitly.

We also (I hope - most of us) inspire. Sometimes my students have lots of questions. I answer them. I illustrate the answers (using technology - God bless the internet). I give them examples they hadn't even thought to ask about.

Is there any measurable outcome in progress in these episodes? Not really, and I wouldn't do it if Ofsted were in the room. But mostly, my students love Science, and those who don't love it themselves love that I love it, and that pays dividends in terms of long term aspirations and achievement. That's the art bit.

noblegiraffe Wed 16-Jan-13 22:15:20

Personality. You have to form relationships with your classes and you can't do that if you're a robot.

EvilTwins Wed 16-Jan-13 22:26:24

We had an INSET about AfL this week with an OFSTED inspector. The current focus is progress over time. I have concerns about proving what I know about the progress made by my students because I teach a practical subject (Performing Arts) and they don't have books/folders in KS3. The fact is, I am constantly assessing- I'm like a helicopter parent, constantly buzzing around and correcting, discussing, making suggestions for how the students can improve/ develop/ move towards and beyond targets. I might write things in my mark book once per fortnight (this is KS3 drama, so I see them once a week, so I'm recording this once every two lessons). At the end of every half term, I do review grades for parents and fill in a progress tracker for my own records. I also fill in a box on a more detailed progress sheet (this is a comment, rather than a level or grade) for each subject. I have been assured that this is enough. OFSTED do seem to have some faith in teachers' professionalism.

EvilTwins Wed 16-Jan-13 22:28:13

For each student, that should say.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 16-Jan-13 22:38:37

Depends on the inspector I think ET. We have also had training recently (they certainly have a lucrative sideline in CPD...) and although he spoke of progress over time, he was also all about short learning episodes and mini plenaries to demonstrate progress in the observation.

I reckon Ofsted observations are somewhat less objective than most teachers' progress tracking...

noblegiraffe Wed 16-Jan-13 22:42:36

I'm pretty sure that Ofsted would be happy with a mini plenary where children self-assessed against success criteria or traffic lighted understanding without the teacher having to make detailed notes on each student's individual response.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 16-Jan-13 22:47:01

Oh yes. We have digressed with Ofsted. My fault. Sorry.

goingmadinthecountry Wed 16-Jan-13 22:58:14

Starlight, it's a bit like being on stage for the duration of a play (one man/woman play).
There isn't one minute during my contact time with children where I can fill in forms/tick boxes. That's not the best way to educate children. Hours of time at home and when not teaching cover that bit. I know what's going on, just don't have time to write it all down.
As a parent (of 4) I can tell a good teacher. I can assure you it isn't the one who ticks the most boxes. I am qualified to say this because some of my children are at university after great teachers helped them get lots of A* and A grades, and because I have done this job off and on for years (not for the money, I hasten to add). There are lots of rubbish teachers. That's awful, but there are lots of rubbish doctors/dentists/whatevers too.

StarlightMcKenzie Wed 16-Jan-13 23:08:24

Aaa agh, long post then iPad lost power.

Might try again but need to get over that programme on C 4. Am shaking with rage.

morethanpotatoprints Fri 18-Jan-13 16:44:15

Once again another idiotic bureaucratic idea set up by a Government.
I feel so sorry for teachers as they are mostly unable to do the job they set out to do and get flack from all corners.
I don't use the education system anymore because the more I found out about policies, procedures and red tape, the more I realised that our dc were the last consideration for all concerned. My dd is worth more.

Feenie Sat 19-Jan-13 00:30:36

It's hard to argue when you put it like that, morethanpotatoprints.

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