Independent school League tables

[bulletpoint]

im looking for the latest league tables, ive looked at the FT but it only has Indy tables for 2011, whilst the 2012 table is for all secondary schools. Im sure last year an Mner posted a different league table link that showed 'Brighton college' in particular as number 18, does anyone remember the source or this link in particular ?

[JoanByers]

Er, why do you want league tables?

You can do league tables on:

A Levels
GCSEs
Finger in the air woo (per the FT).
Anything else.

The 2011 league table will be entirely adequate for determining which schools take bright kids and which schools, er, don't.

Mostly private schools here:

rankings.ft.com/secondary-schools/secondary-schools-2012

Telegraph has some, but lots of schools missing (they can opt out):

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/9551003/GCSE-results-2012-Independent-school-results-table.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/9498024/A-level-results-2012-Independent-school-results-table.html

[bulletpoint]

Why i want the league tables shouldn't be any of your concern. Yes i know what the league tables contain. If you read my post properly i already said the FT does not show the specific data i'm looking for (brighton college at position 18, there was a source posted some weeks ago and it wasnt from FT, and its not in the telegraph either so still wondering what the source was.

I am not looking for where " bright kids" go your obsession in life.

[LIZS]

The Times published one a month or two back

[bulletpoint]

Liz - i think you are right, ive had a look on Brighton college's website and there's a lot of reference to the 'Sunday Times'. Thanks.

[JoanByers]

The FT shows Brighton College at #49. I can't imagine why it would make any possible difference if they are at #18 or #49.

[bulletpoint]

Joanbyers - That's the problem, You can't imagine!

[Lonecatwithkitten]

I depends which results they use to create the league tables as to position. Some strip out certain subjects others don't.

[JoanByers]

you also get issues with the IB.

[Mutteroo]

There's so many tables to choose from & dear old Brighton College habe managed to find themselves a good spot on at least one or two per year. Are you looking at this particular school for a reason? Know quite a few who attended/attend.

[TotallyBS]

Joan: I don't know what your history is with the OP but if I was getting bitch slapped by the OP I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with her thread.

[happygardening]

I agree Totally the OP seemed surprisingly and unnecessarily aggressive towards Joan but them there seems to be quite a bit if that around on MN education at the moment.

[Amber2]

I found your links helpful Joan and yes somewaht surprised at the OP's response ...though I must admit I don't fully understand the FT tables myself...or how they are compiled

[MLP]

Thanks, Joan. OP - you have a pretty poor attitude to someone who is just trying to help you.

[Lilymaid]

I reported the thread on Monday after the OP's comments - but Mumsnet Towers didn't delete.

[TotallyBS]

Lilymaid: the OP's comment was a bit aggressive but it was relatively mild

[Ronaldo]

I am not awareof anyhistories and dont want to get involved but I am aware also that Brigton College has been awared some accolade of " Best Independent School" and is currently trading on a ranking of 18th nationally.

Even some of our year 11's have applied for this school ratherthan coming into our sixth form because of that. Its rather annoying really as we are also a "top ranked school" as if they have something we do not and somehow their something will rub off on the pupils applying......

I beleive this is something a lot of other schools may have experienced too.

I guess this is why some independents are refusing to publish now - not fear of their results just this kind of game playing ( in a difficult econiomic climate)

My personal subject results btw were better than theirs - but the kids ( and some parents) dont see that. they cant see beyond the hype.

[florenceuk]

in case anyone is interested this site has Brighton College at no 118 if you rank by GSCE results here. Hope this helps!

[florenceuk]

whoops I meant no 18. Amazing what you can find by googling.

[TheWomanOnTheBus]

OP sees a big difference which Joan can't imagine (and I'm with Joan) between 19th and 49th in ranking.

Genuine question:

I am (ok DS is) chosing between two schools one ranked say 40th to 60th in FT the other 80th to 100th.

I know there is supposed to be some heirarcharchy in the schools but does it really matter? All else being equal (of course). Doesn't it just mean that the kids in the first school are due to selection criteria brighter (but only slightly brighter) than those in the other one? And if your DS is destined for Oxbridge, he'd get there from whichever... All these schools are selective and have an academic ethos.

Perhaps - for some - it depends on whether you want a DS to be "average" in cohort (in the less selective one) rather than bottom of cohort. And in any case wouldn't the less selective one stream so you still get a concentration of the very brightest in the top.

What else do people see as a difference?

As I say, genuine question....

[TheWomanOnTheBus]

'scuse typos!

[Xenia]

The FT table is pretty good as it is A levels and not knitting ones and also it is surely not that hard to strip out the state schools to work out a private school ranking if you do the right sums. I think it's really helpful to have state schools in the tables too.

Person asking why it matters... well my daughter last year in a new area at work her boss asked where she'd gone to school. She gave the name (well known, high places academic girls' school) and apparently was impressed. In other words it kind of helped build the picture that she was quite bright. Whereas if you say you went to XYZ (I won't give names - well known private schools which are almost comprehensive) everyone knows you probably aren't that clever as if you were your parents would have picked somewhere else.

[Xenia]

Also you might do better at school if everyone in the class is clever rather than many who aren't which is another reason bright children may do better at schools higher up the charts.

[musicalfamily]

Xenia would you say a school that say is top 150 (I am thinking Leeds Grammar, now GSAL) is still considered academic or you need to go top 10?

[musicalfamily]

PS Same question as TheWomanonTheBus really!

[TheWomanOnTheBus]

Except I am worrying about 20/30 place differences!

I do hate that snobbery which Xenia mentions though. DS won't go to one of the top 10 schools simply because he has no desire to (genuinely don't like Westimnster for various reasons, for eg), not because he isn't clever enough (not saying he is clever enough, but hey who knows until we try the tests?).

Just like Oxbridge people (and some Oxbridge lovers) think you have to be cleverer just because you went there.