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Super child - Part 1 (related to 11 plus)

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mudassar Thu 01-Nov-12 14:45:25

1 Nov 2012

Super child-Part 1

Imagine the following scenario;

A child is sitting in her class ready to take 11 exam. The teacher distributes the paper and the time starts. She is tensed and has sweaty palms. It will take a good few minutes to control her nerves and overcome sweating. This is followed by the usual nose bleed. By the time the child applies nasal cream and recomposes, good 5 to 10 minutes have passed, say ten mins. It takes the child 30 minutes to complete her paper (her actual speed is normally 25 minutes for 80 Qs) which takes care of first part of her preparation. She spends 5 minutes rechecking the answers in a pre planned priority sequence.

In the last 5 minutes the child attends to the second part of her preparation. She looks at one key question of the paper and commits it into her memory by making a mental ?key? and hooking that key in her brain in a specially trained method. The exercise is repeated several times in these 5 mins although some ?keys? were made during the 30 minute time.

At the end of 50 mins, the students in her class are told to put the pencils down and stop writing. She puts her pencil down and stops writing but does not stop thinking. She has been trained to do so as this is deemed to be within limits. By the time the teacher collects papers and answer sheets from the class, the child has committed 20 questions to her memory including the worded questions. She then engages in normal school activities for the rest of the day (the same process is repeated after 6 days for another test).
Fast forward the above by 9 hours when her father returns home. After dinner he sits with the child and gives her blank sheets of A4 paper. He asks her to ?offload? all ?keys? onto the paper. The father maintains a pin drop silence during this time knowing very well that unlike normal PC down loads, this download exercise can only take place once. After writing the key information, the child tells him that she has only managed to hook 20 keys out of which 5 may be rusty. The father accepts that knowing that ¼ of key questions are sufficient for his purpose.
The child goes away to play and the father looks at the information shown on the paper. He separates the rusty keys and the remaining 15 keys are checked by ?borrowing? selected students a few days later who also took the same test. The analysis concluded that all 15 keys were accurate and in many cases spot on.
The above scenario is a realistic one and the child in picture is my daughter.
I can envisage that there will be mixed type of parents reading this post with mixed reactions (hoping my post goes through the moderators without any problem?).

They may be grouped as;
?Those who do not believe in the above. They may move on to the next post (fair enough but do read Part 2 at a later stage)
?Those who took the DIY route (a route that I took) but stopped at 1st part of the preparation, without spending energies on the second part.
?Those who are curious to know more on this subject.

Wherever you fall within the above groups, there is one thing for sure.
My unusual post is going to leave a print on your mind for many years to come. As a father, I am interested in knowing if anyone out there has planned /experienced or even heard of a similar situation. I would also like to know if an average child can remember more than say 5 questions. Can you imagine what would be the outcome/consequence if was to train say 4 carefully selected super childs?
There will be many questions and I would be happy to see your response to my post.
Part 2 will be equally interesting!

pianomama Thu 01-Nov-12 15:46:11

Sounds a bit like dog training. What kind of a "super-child" are you training exactly? An international spy?

TheFallenMadonna Thu 01-Nov-12 15:51:33


sue52 Thu 01-Nov-12 15:55:09

I would be more concerned about the nose bleed. Try dog training instead.

bonhomiee Thu 01-Nov-12 16:02:14

I got a bit lost at the "this download can only be done once..." why?
and also

pianomama Thu 01-Nov-12 16:09:54

Sounds like some kind of memory training.. I could do with some as I keep forgetting things.

CecilyP Thu 01-Nov-12 16:11:04

For those of us around in the 70s, the name Barbara Woodhouse comes to mind.

Not sure what the question is, BTW.

And the plural of child is children.

notcitrus Thu 01-Nov-12 16:11:21

Ah, NaNoWriMo season again...

LynetteScavo Thu 01-Nov-12 16:11:49


Once downloaded, the child forgets the questions? confused

My DS, and his grandfather could easily remember more than 5 questions and "download" them more than once, with no training. I believe your post, even if I don't quite understand the ?keys? bit.

Isn't it the answering of the questions that is important?

And I doubt your unusual post is going to leave a print on your mind for many years to come. hmm

pianomama Thu 01-Nov-12 16:12:33

I prefer "super childs" grin.

LynetteScavo Thu 01-Nov-12 16:13:20

You say the above scenario is a realistic not actually a real event which actually happened, just one you invented. Even more odd. confused

LynetteScavo Thu 01-Nov-12 16:14:31

And where do they take the 11+ in their own class? [curious]

LynetteScavo Thu 01-Nov-12 16:15:41

And can you get nasal cream for nose bleeds? Could you recommend it to me?

Maryz Thu 01-Nov-12 16:18:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Hamishbear Thu 01-Nov-12 16:19:23

This child no doubt could give all questions/most questions to tutors at an agency who could then hot house those taking exam a few weeks later (if sick on day etc)?

If others could fill in gaps - as you mention - you'd be able to reproduce the question paper???

bonkersLFDT20 Thu 01-Nov-12 16:19:44

Are you my BIL? He's a bit odd.

amistillsexy Thu 01-Nov-12 16:20:17

How on earth does it benefit any of your 'Super Childs' grin to remember 25% of the questions they were asked in an exam?

Those questions are long gone, Baby...Move on!

amistillsexy Thu 01-Nov-12 16:22:04

Hamishbear, how did you answer my question before I'd even posted it?

Are you the Original Super Child?


amistillsexy Thu 01-Nov-12 16:27:26

I live in an area where the 11 Plus reigns supreme.

I don't know if the schools involved have changed their processes, but it used to be the case that they only had two 'exams' (2 Verbal and 2 Non-verbal reasoning tests) , and they rotated them year on year.

All the tutors needed to do was to get the children to learn the tests.

But the real test is the essay (story) writing. That's unfortunately only marked in borderline case...some would say this system favours 'rote learners' over creative thinkers, and my experience in one of the schools involved certainly bore that out.

Selective education is simply another way of segregating society, IMO. I'm not in favour of it.

Hamishbear Thu 01-Nov-12 16:29:43

amistillsexy - you're right smile

sieglinde Thu 01-Nov-12 16:30:21

Are you hoping to sell the questions? What's the point of all this?

ArterialSpurtMonkey Thu 01-Nov-12 16:32:44

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

pianomama Thu 01-Nov-12 16:33:15

I think the nose bleed must be significant .. Spooky...

ArterialSpurtMonkey Thu 01-Nov-12 16:33:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ObiWan Thu 01-Nov-12 16:43:00

Your daughter sat the 11+ and managed to remember 15 of questions?

And then you wrote them down, in silence?

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