Neighbours Child and school

[Blandmum]

I've nicked this idea from the Times Ed website

Your neighbours kid comes round to play and is rude, disruptive and dangerous. You outline your rules and they ignore you. THis is repeated time and time again. In the end you send them home and tell them not to come again, if they can't stick to your rules. Resonable?

In school we just have to put up with them. Heads are increasingly reluctant to exclude children and schools are under pressure to take on excluded children.

Should schools be allowed to addopt a 'Neighbours child;' policy for badly disruptibe NT kids?

Discuss......of to work now!

[DoesntChristmasDragOn]

Not to the same extent - they should look for solutions to "cure" the behaviour first. And I'd apply this to non-NT children too. If there are continual problems the school should work with parents/professionals to work out the best coping strategies for all, not just trundle along. Don't jump on me - obviously I don't mean it to the same extent with non-NT children, just that ignoring problems and doing the same thing each time with no success is pointless with any situation. If any child is continually disruptive or having problems you'd have to look closely at whether that particular school enviroment is right for that particular child and how you can best change things to suit them (if you can!).

"putting up with" behaviour doesn't help anyone really

[roisin]

I've actually been pleasantly surprised at how pro-active our school SMT are at handling seriously disruptive children; it takes up a huge amount of their time; there are all sorts of procedures, programmes, and initiatives ...
Unfortunately for a small but significant minority of pupils nothing seems to work

Removing them from regular classes means that at least other children's education is not disrupted, but in the small groups that result it is difficult to see much learning or behaviour improvement going on.

[Twiglett]

there should be sufficient investment in education to give all kids what they need from the school environment

that means special discipline measures and schools for those children who cannot obey school rules and are a disruptive influence, why should well-behaved children suffer as a result of kids with no respect

children with SN should have the help they need on an ongoing basis and special classes designed to maximise their abilities and understanding

ahhh .. utopia

(I shall think more carefully about the real world in a bit)

[christmaslovingbluealien]

yes yes and yes
i havent been teaching for almost five years now, but am still sick to death of the kids knowing they could get away with murder coz there wasnt really anything you could do as the head would neverr back you up on it.
or if thehead did, and excluded a pupil, the governors would make her take him back.

[geekgrrl]

but what happens to children who have been excluded? In a lot of cases this is just the sort of thing they want - no school anymore - and the only way to go from there for them is a life of crime. Excluding severely disruptive children might be a good short-term solution, but disastrous in the long-term. There has to be another solution.

[geekgrrl]

agree with twiglett... it would cost money but proably only 1/10000 of the amount george and tony's iraqi adventure has cost the country so far. and would save so much in the long-term - less people in prison etc.

[Twiglett]

those who have been excluded go to special schools with higher staff - child ratios and strong discipline and psychologist help and weird and wacky programmes and an annexe to teach the parents and ... and... and...

..with the aim of reintergration in mainstream

[christmaslovingbluealien]

or they get private tuition thing. dont remember the name for it, but its practically a one on one teaching session all the time.
reintegration just means that the teacher has to spend a large portion of her time dealing with the hard%^ kids, instead of theones who actually have some desire to learn. it also causese a bad example for the other kids in the class to see such disrtuptive behaviour with no real consequences.
or maybe in just a bad teacher?

[RudolphsAuntMabel]

MB, you, as a teacher, have got a diffucult enough job without having to put up with difficult/badly behaved children disrupting the rest of the class. If there's no reason other than just being irritating on purpose then I think you should be able to remove them from that class then inform their parents that if they cannot get their child to behave then they will be removed again on a more permanent basis. Yes, everyone has a right to education but unruly kids who do it just for fun should not be allowed to spoil it for everyone else.

That sounds a bit harsh doesn't it? Sorry.

[Blandmum]

Totlaly agree with twiglett that children who are excluded should go to special EBD schools with appropriate ratios of trained staff.

The way I see it about 1% of the kids I teach are significanly disruptive in class.....to the point that the are not learning and they have a significant detrimental effect on the other kids learning.

10% of the kids I work with can be easily led by the 1%. While the 1% are still included, they will 'drive' the poor behaviour of others, often leading them into crime.

As an example of how bad behavior can be and still not get to exculsion 2 boys set fire to the school and were not excuded.

We need the reintroduction of EBD schools or units attached to mainstream