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What year do you not have to apply for primary school places?

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magichonchon Sat 24-Sep-11 10:26:26

DD has just started reception. She's very happy and enjoying but its not our preferred school which is another area, we would need to move eventually. What year are classes not restricted to 30? How does the application process work and what happens if the school was previously oversubscribed?

Hope someone can help. Thanks MN.

spanieleyes Sat 24-Sep-11 10:32:15

There is no legal limit in classes in KS2, ie years 3-6. However each class will have a PAN- a pupil admission number- which they will work hard not to go over! if the class you want is at PAN you can still apply, they would turn you down as they are full and you can then appeal. It is then not a infant class size appeal-as it would be in KS1- but a "prejudice" appeal-ie the prejudice of keeping your child out outweighs the prejudice to the other children of letting them in!
( simplified version of the admissions process!)

pozzled Sat 24-Sep-11 10:39:18

So you are thinking of moving into the catchment area of your preferred school and trying to transfer your DD into that school?

I think that class sizes don't have to be restricted to 30 in KS2, so from Year 3 onwards. But each school has a limit for the year group, which tends to be a multiple of 30 anyway (or a multiple of 45 if they have some mixed year classes). IME very few primary schools will have more than 30 in a class.

If the school is oversubscribed, you will find it very hard to get a place, even if you move to the catchment area. I think you will need to contact the LEA and get on the waiting list, then wait until someone in your DD's year leaves the school.

CustardCake Sat 24-Sep-11 10:50:09

pozzled - it varies by area. A lot of primary schools here do have at least 34 children in every class from Year 3 and up. There is a huge pressure on the number of places here and schools are oversubscribed.

The schools still try to keep to the numbers as much as they can and there will be an upper limit based on space and safety but appeals are much more likely to succeed for a child going into Year 3 than for a younger child where the limit of 30 per class is pretty much set in stone.

CustardCake Sat 24-Sep-11 10:52:18

pozzled is right about waiting lists though OP. It is a 2 pronged attack - by all means appeal but a better option is being able to get a place off the list. Moving house can be an advantage here but not a guarantee. If the schools lists distance as one of its admissions criteria, moving closer to the school pushes your own child further up the list therefore making it more likely they will get given a space if some come free.

prh47bridge Sat 24-Sep-11 17:24:29

Agree with CustardCake. Just to clarify a little, there are two numbers that matter - class size and PAN (Published Admission Number - the number of children admitted each year). In infants (Reception, Y1 and Y2) class size is limited to 30. I KS2 there is no legal limit to class size. However PAN will not change and will still apply. So even though they are allowed more children in each class t doesn't necessarily mean they can admit extra pupils. If they are already up to PAN they should refuse admission to anyone who applies for a place. However, the parents can appeal against the refusal and the appeal will be easier to win in KS2 than it woud have been in infants.

magichonchon Sat 24-Sep-11 21:08:41

Thanks all for the clarification, I'm very grateful and appreciate your advice and knowledge.

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