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Divorce/separation

Xmas contact

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Hellohun · 10/12/2017 11:15

My ex was violent and sexually abusive as well as being extremely controlling . There is evidence of this and the judge stated the case was exceptional in its evidence so much so there was no need for a fact finding etc). Naturally , wanting to protect my child I had to safeguard this via the family courts. He went through the contact centre after debating it was too expensive and couldn’t afford the train fare . His parents took him to every session , never independently. He did attend supervised contact for 18 months and then naturally it went to a whole day , supervised by his parents. Sometimes my ex doesn’t even turn up , his parents come to collect him. My son is now 4 and struggles with the 2 nights it has now been built up to alternate weekends. He has night tremors and wakes up 5,6 times. He cries uncontrollably during periods at night but this settles within 5 nights . My ex’s father approached me in a verbally aggressive manner this week stating they want 9 nights at Christmas in a row. The court order is old and did state he could have 7 consecutive nights this year. I pleaded that he would work with me half way and have his nights split but to an equal amount. Say , some weekends in a row and then 3 nights in a row. I even suggested they could have Christmas Day for the second year running so long as it did not exceed 3 nights as I felt doing 2 nights then straight to 7 is too much for my just turned 4 year old. He had a chance to build up contact during the summer but chose not to. He discovered I was pregnant with my husband around 6 weeks ago and I feel this has been a catalyst: I have said to go from 2 nights to 7 when he is only just coping is unfair. I said to have 7 but spill it. The court order is so loosely worded that it appears they are entitled to the weekend contact before as well. His half term for Xmas is only 12 days long and I said asking for 9 nights is excessive.
Do you feel I am being unreasonable ? I will probably have some more abuse off them in the coming days . My ex is rarely there and these arguments are always between me and the grandparents. I don’t want to argue but I feel intimidated and worried he won’t cope.
He has vision issues and needs patching which they always fail to do and his vision has deteriorated. The nursery want to make a referral to children’s services and I don’t know what to do. He has only ever had 2 nights in a row.

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Poshindevon · 10/12/2017 15:54

You are not being unreasonable.
The grandparents have no legal rights whatsover to demand this. Does your ex husband live with them? If he does not ,you have every right to refuse to let your son stay with the grandparents. The court order was made between you and your ex husband the father of the child not his parents. You need to make the grandparents understand this.
If the nursery thinks your child should be reffered to childrens services then you need to follow their advice.
I would also see a solicitor about this situation. Especially if your child is having difficulties and the father would not show up at all if not for the pushy grandparents.
You need to stand your ground on this.

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Amatree · 10/12/2017 16:02

I'm not an expert on the legal situation but surely you can just refuse to hand him over to the parents? They have zero rights over him and it sounds like they're the ones driving the contact. If you refuse to engage with anyone but the father you may find he doesn't push for contact which in this situation may be better? Get legal advice but if you can get medical evidence that they aren't doing what they need to care for him maybe you can reassess access? Good luck, it sounds a hard situation. Oh and keep any texts from them and record calls for evidence of harassment.

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LexieLulu · 10/12/2017 16:14

There is no way I would allow this and I would not answer to grandparents of DC.

It's your DC not theirs!!!

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Starlight2345 · 10/12/2017 16:24

Let nursery put in referral ..It will help referral coming from somone other than you.

It is worth seeking legal advise or post in legal too.

I would simply say no..Contact needs to be increased gradually.

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Footle · 10/12/2017 16:24

It sounds as if the referral to children's services could be a lifeline for him to get out of this awful situation.

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Hellohun · 10/12/2017 17:50

Thankyou. Have been tonight and he’s come back with severe tonsillitis and then telling me he’s teething (at 4 with a full set). He’s very withdrawn and I’ve told his father tonight 7 nights is not in My sons best interest and they have replied I wil get arrested and that they’ve booked the week off work 🙄🙄 My ex lives in a one bed 10th floor flat which is full of antisocial behaviour. He was in a news article involved in a dispute a few months ago over drugs .

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Poshindevon · 10/12/2017 19:26

I repeat what I said earlier. Your sons grandparents have no rights whatsoever . They cannot dictate to you when and where they see their grandchild. I think you need to have a solicitor write and tell them this.
Your ex lives in an unsuitable property and you should have addressed that situation before now instead of sending your son off to his grand parents.
Please out your foot down and do whats best for your son.

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Hellohun · 10/12/2017 19:45

I agree . I said his flat is unsuitable but it fell on deaf ears in the court and they said “I was putting barriers in place “. I shall get some legal advice tomorrow . One thing for sure is this 7 nights is not happening . Thanks x

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oldstudentmum · 11/12/2017 22:15

Contact Coram ! Legal free advise. You say the order states up to 9 consecutive nights hmm "up to" is the key points I feel you could refuse. My order had similar wording. DO NOT engage with grandparents anymore they sound toxic. Like everyone says they are not the parents.
Ha ha you will be arrested that's funny, I would in all honesty phone 101 and lodge a complaint regarding their aggression.
I agree with everyone he is not to go to grandparents they sound very controlling.

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oldstudentmum · 11/12/2017 22:17

Also meant to add it totally sounds like this isn't about him being with his child, this is to get at you

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Glitterbug76 · 11/12/2017 22:21

Keep a log and record everything including any threatening behaviour it's sounds awful for you and your son , I just wouldn't let him go you have enough grounds for concern trust your instincts.

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cestlavielife · 11/12/2017 22:23

A one bed flat is fine for a child to stay.

But... if you have evidence of anti social behaviour whatever that is then speak to solicitor.

If child isn't coping talk to gp
Get the referral to children's services
Get legal advice.

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Hellohun · 12/12/2017 17:40

Children aren’t allowed into these flats unless they are visiting under council rules due to the excessive amount of antisocial behaviour and the housing of ex offenders within the building. This is just council rules , not my interpretation. Thanks everyone , I’ve had some legal advice enough have said that I am right and acting in his best Interest. 2 to 7 nights is excessive and they wouldn’t allow it x

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oldstudentmum · 12/12/2017 18:21

Brilliant news plan a brill family xmas dress up as santa play board games or twister lol. Don't let these horrible people affect your sons xmas because it's all about the kids not power crap. Let's face it he would much rather be at home. Xxx I had all this crap last year so I do know how you feel total twunts the lot of them, and I'm being polite

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Hellohun · 12/12/2017 19:26

Haha yea your right - Thankyou !!! He’s now saying that my husband hits me ! They really have got mental problems to be making up stuff like this and telling him. X

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oldstudentmum · 12/12/2017 21:54

Omg that doesn't surprise me it's never them. Look up narcissistic traits. Then read the narc decorder. People like this are odd. I had enough a year ago to this week and I have and the kids have never been better. I put a aibu on recently about ex mil (feckin bitch) she sent things to dg but not dgs but I ranted on here but not to them just needed to get it off my chest and it worked!. I WILL not give them the satisfaction of me approaching them to express my anger I'll just mumsnet it. We need to vent and there are plenty of us out there that listen been there impartial and care so there you are xxxx don't even bother to reply to grandparents fuck em totally fuck em I can't relate to your issues you just got to put one finger up and say fuck it fuck them, I'm doing what's right got a problem that's your problem not fucking mine idiots. Xxxx lol and you swear in your mind xxx oh your probably also an abuser as well it was never him !!! It was prob all your fault as well why you split up you were prob having an affair ! These types are blame gamers babe through and through

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