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The Disposable Male

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SigmundFraude Sun 17-Nov-13 13:48:57

Girl Writes What released a video a while back based on how men are considered as disposable in society. I think she has it about right. Interested to hear views....

The Disposable Male

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 17-Nov-13 18:36:47

having just been on the "interesting" thread I'm not sure that any other evidence is needed.

Husbandplus3 Mon 18-Nov-13 04:53:32

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

Pan Mon 18-Nov-13 11:59:17

Watched it all the way through.

Delusional pretty much all the way. We don't live in burning buildings, nor life boats, nor is circumcision comparable to FGM, nor are boy babies ignored over female ones, nor are (and this was the most risible imo) female children 'valued' over males children in any society. And nor is it just 'the feminists' who are pointing these things out.

Husbandplus3 Mon 18-Nov-13 23:25:43

This is getting a bit old. that is twice now I have had posts deleted with no explanation as to why. Come on now mods, play fair.
Is it that you don't like what I said or did I say something I shouldn't have? If I said something I shouldn't have, then show me where so that I don't do it next time. I do have an email address you know. This is getting old.
I stand by what I said, the lady said all she had to say in the first five minutes and the rest was waffle. Just hot air. Nothing against the lady. her comments were relevant and true. She just waffled on.
Are males disposable? Yes. Just look at all the feminist sites out there. There are loads of them. And yes, in many ways males are responsible for Feminists becoming as vocal and overbearing as some of them are.
Now, I am going to repeat my request. If there is a problem with the post, please be nice, write me an email complete with this post and tell me where I went wrong. I am trying to be nice and fair. Common cutesy to respond accordingly.
Thank you.

MistAllChuckingFrighty Mon 18-Nov-13 23:32:55

I can help you out there, mate

You were goading. Deliberately inflammatory posts for no reason at all are very bad manners and not in the spirit of a parenting site.

is there any part of that you are not getting ?

this site is not moderated as such, and you will not get an individual reply for every deleted post

there are talk guidelines at the top of the board...try reading them, all will become clear

MistAllChuckingFrighty Mon 18-Nov-13 23:33:51

If you don't like how the site operates, there is always that little 'x' in the top corner.

Husbandplus3 Mon 18-Nov-13 23:55:36

Thank you Mist. But I really didn't think that was the case. I mean, look at some of the other posts. Look at some of the responses to my posts. Active Topics gets way out of hand and yet nothing is done. Some one commented that this forum could be a bear pit. They were right. Both from the people posting in and the mods deleting posts with no good reason.
I think I will refrain from quoting a verse from Genesis chapter 3 on this subject. That would get the mods hopping mad and the feminist and other would be spluttering their tea and scones all over the place.
At the risk of having this posts deleted. I found out about this site from a BBC podcast I listened to on All Things Considered. It sounded really good. Practical sound discussions about parenting from a general point of view. Many parenting forums have a particular slant. This was suggested as having no particular slant. It was also said that although the name was Mums-net it also embraced fathers and their view as well.
It was also suggest that that discussions could be robust at times with colourful language. Well, I work with over 900 people and some of them are rude, and that's being polite. It was also suggested that there was minimum moderation.
So, my observations since I have been on site. Yes, the discussions are robust. Yes, it can be a bear pit. Yes, there is minimum moderation. But only in the sense that posts are deleted with no reason given. "I don't like your post" Poof. Gone.
Oh well, such is life.

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 19-Nov-13 00:00:42

A reason has been given. You broke the Talk Guidelines.

Husbandplus3 Tue 19-Nov-13 00:28:36

Here are the "rules" in a nut shell:
Quote: You can read all the whys and wherefores behind our rules below but here's the nutshell version:

No personal attacks
No posts that break the law
No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour
No trollhunting
No spamming Endquote.
Now, as far as I can see I did not break any of those rules. I attacked no one. if so, show me where?
I haven't broken the law in my post. If so show me where?
If it is inflammatory behaviour, show me where? There are far more inflammatory posts than any I have thus far posted.
I am not into spamming. If there is spam then please show me where?
So, with the utmost respect, Dione, I should still like the mods to show me which and where that I may be able to correct my error. Unless of course my error was in joining this site in the first place.

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 19-Nov-13 00:48:43

I know the Talk Guidelines. I have been here a long time, quoted them and fell foul of them. I cannot discuss your post Husband as I did not see it.

If you are confused as to why you were deleted, please contact MNHQ and ask. If you are unhappy with the response then maybe this site is not for you. It's nothing personal, just different strokes and all that. It took me a while and a few sites too.

I hope you find a good place on the Internet, here or somewhere

Pan Tue 19-Nov-13 00:59:04

No, Husband I don't think joining the site is an an issue at all. Anyone can do that, parents or non-parents. The 'nut shell' version misses out quite a few things, but most of all 'goading' stuff. Lots of folk get by with each other posting-wise, and don't swinge away at people who disagree with them in a demeaning way. Which, I at least, think you did.

Pan Tue 19-Nov-13 01:02:47

fwiw I didn't 'report' your post, but was pretty sure it would disappear for good reason. The site overall is pretty 'liberal' but not without boundaries.

Husbandplus3 Tue 19-Nov-13 01:14:21

I think the part I find confusing/aggravating, is that in another thread I was far more forthright and actually expected the post to be deleted and it wasn't. It's still there.

Pan Tue 19-Nov-13 01:28:57

Well it isn't a perfect system. HQ don't monitor every post. Being 'forthright' is fine. Being pretty insulting and demeaning isn't.

Zagazooisalreadyamnname Tue 19-Nov-13 01:31:33

I for one am pleased to see a space for men to discuss why a video promoting mens rights was idiotic disappear into a spat about moderation.

OP, I watched the first few minutes because frankly it was all I could sit through. Any argument starting from evolutionary psychology can be safely thrown in the bin. Did it get any better than that?

Pan Tue 19-Nov-13 01:36:27

Aside from the 'spat',... the vid was pretty poor. If anyone could point to any part of it that was related to life as experienced that would be good.

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 19-Nov-13 01:38:02

As this is an unmoderated site, the mods only look when a post is reported. Your post on this thread was reported, perhaps your post on the other thread wasn't. It just goes to show that women are not a homogenous mass.shock

MistAllChuckingFrighty Tue 19-Nov-13 06:36:46

I reported your post. It was a deliberate call out for an argument. Now you are whinging about it and insisting on a personal explanation. It doesn't work like that. You sound quite entitled. It doesn't come across well and as such will not prompt intelligent debate.

Toadinthehole Tue 19-Nov-13 08:03:21

I'm not sure what the relevance of Genesis 3 is, unless you are blaming the Fall on Eve. I've always found that a little odd as the verse is quite clear that Adam was with her, although that didn't stop him from pretending it was all Eve's fault.

lostdad Tue 19-Nov-13 15:36:48

Pan - `nor is circumcision comparable to FGM'.

Your evidence for this would be what?

lostdad Tue 19-Nov-13 15:38:32

Or if I accept your premise Pan would I be right in saying that you consider some degree of genital mutilation acceptable? hmm

MistAllChuckingFrighty Tue 19-Nov-13 17:39:58

Really blatant word-twisting you have demonstrated there, lostdad. Quite a skill you have.

lostdad Wed 20-Nov-13 08:48:23

Really blatant subject changing you have demonstrated there, MistAllChuckingFrighty. Quite a skill you have.

Do you see what I did there?

However...back to the topic - could I ask you if you consider any degree of genital mutilation of boys acceptable? I can understand why you wouldn't want to give your views on this incidentally. wink

Pan Wed 20-Nov-13 09:32:11

tbh lostdad you'd have to be living in some sort of cave to not be aware of the world of difference between FGM and circumcision.

and no, I'd personally disagree with any unnecessary mutilation. You're being absurd there.

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