61 people on two flights to NL from SA test positive for Covid. How?

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Tryingtryingandtrying Sat 27-Nov-21 10:55:12

Aren't they supposed to test before flying? Or are they all vaccinated and therefore not mandatory, but they have chosen not to? This is a really high number, much higher than I would have thought, must be pushing 10% of passengers and that is before it has spread to the others?

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womanity Sat 27-Nov-21 10:56:03

I wondered the same.

Tryingtryingandtrying Sat 27-Nov-21 10:57:08

www.reuters.com/world/europe/passengers-south-africa-face-wait-covid-19-testing-amsterdam-2021-11-26/
Thought I had best add a link

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rainrainraincamedowndowndown Sat 27-Nov-21 11:01:30

Someone on the other site said maybe it's to do with people only needing negative lft within 24 hours before flight, not pcr. So they didn't pick up the positive cases but the pcr at the destination confirmed positive cases.

neithernever Sat 27-Nov-21 11:06:13

The LFT makes sense for a few but that many?

I don't know if vax gets you out of testing for those flights, but I know it does at our local theatre and I think it's one of the most pointless rules we've had - certainly up there with not being allowed to sit down in an empty field.

Either make everyone show a negative test or don't bother and stop the bloody pantomime, because that's exactly what it is.

dabbydeedoo Sat 27-Nov-21 11:07:57

Isn't it likely many of them are part of a group? Perhaps attended a wedding or a conference?

dabbydeedoo Sat 27-Nov-21 11:08:58

neithernever

The LFT makes sense for a few but that many?

I don't know if vax gets you out of testing for those flights, but I know it does at our local theatre and I think it's one of the most pointless rules we've had - certainly up there with not being allowed to sit down in an empty field.

Either make everyone show a negative test or don't bother and stop the bloody pantomime, because that's exactly what it is.

Why is it a pantomime? Unvaccinated people are much more likely to test positive than vaccinated people. Why shouldn't they have to at least do a test?

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Whinge Sat 27-Nov-21 11:09:15

The LFT makes sense for a few but that many?

Yes I could udnerstand if a few slipped through, but 61 people getting a negative result, who then test positive less than 24 hours later is quite concerning.

JanglyBeads Sat 27-Nov-21 11:09:21

Apparently double vaxxed don’t have to test at all preflight from SA.

catblanket Sat 27-Nov-21 11:11:51

Only certain airlines require testing before a flight.

JessyCarr Sat 27-Nov-21 11:13:03

According to the Guardian live thread (and linked tweets), all 600-odd pax from the 2 flights were held together in an unventilated space while testing and processing took place, with no mask requirement and very few wearing masks. The 61 who then tested positive will be isolated in hotels, but the rest (having tested negative) are expected to isolate at home.

What could possibly go wrong?

Tryingtryingandtrying Sat 27-Nov-21 11:14:05

I'm surprised that there's no safeguard there at all. Maybe there is a chance they have been to wedding or something. Otherwise you could assume that 10% of people in SA could be positive. Small numbers I know, but if all randoms rather than linked....

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Tryingtryingandtrying Sat 27-Nov-21 11:15:14

@jessycarr So high chance of transmission within the group

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TheShoeLady Sat 27-Nov-21 11:15:35

My DP just got back from SA - feeling thankful that he hadn’t booked his tickets a couple of days later! He didn’t have to test pre return flight (although he did on the way out). It seems the UK doesn’t give a shit and just lets people in Willy nilly. Apparently he did have to show “intention to book a test” or some bullshit, but having already had contact with me, his kids his ex, and anyone he’s passed on the way home, the “intention to test” is a pretty pointless requirement. He’s also been invited to a big two day meeting including a social evening next week for work. HR has advised him that it might look better if he doesn’t go! If he does go and turns out he has the SA variant or indeed any other form of covid that could be a lot of ruined Christmases. All for the sake of a bloody test. The whole thing is a joke.

dabbydeedoo Sat 27-Nov-21 11:17:00

JessyCarr

According to the Guardian live thread (and linked tweets), all 600-odd pax from the 2 flights were held together in an unventilated space while testing and processing took place, with no mask requirement and very few wearing masks. The 61 who then tested positive will be isolated in hotels, but the rest (having tested negative) are expected to isolate at home.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's just staggering how they just keep continuing to get everything so wrong. Completely baffling. They will have now infected lots of people who likely would have been fine if they hadn't been forced to stand in an unventilated space with a pile of covid positive people for over an hour.

DickMabutt73962 Sat 27-Nov-21 11:19:29

I wonder if many people just don't bother anymore with testing so they're sending in tests that haven't actually been done to get a negative? Or maybe just passing it lightly around the mouth to get some saliva?

JessyCarr Sat 27-Nov-21 11:21:43

JessyCarr

According to the Guardian live thread (and linked tweets), all 600-odd pax from the 2 flights were held together in an unventilated space while testing and processing took place, with no mask requirement and very few wearing masks. The 61 who then tested positive will be isolated in hotels, but the rest (having tested negative) are expected to isolate at home.

What could possibly go wrong?

Oh, and by “isolate at home” they mean “get a connecting flight to your final destination, make your way home and then isolate”.

Whinge Sat 27-Nov-21 11:22:12

TheShoeLady Your DH experience helps to explain why there were so many positives. Are there any checks in place to check if he's tested?

alborana Sat 27-Nov-21 11:25:10

You don't have to test before entering the UK any more (except from a tiny number of red list countries). You have to book a day 2 test but I have a friend who travels regularly and he never bothers actually doing the tests and no-one has ever chased him.

notimagain Sat 27-Nov-21 11:26:35

Apparently he did have to show “intention to book a test” or some bullshit,

grin

No apparently about it, since I suspect you mean this, err, “bullshit”:

“ Before you travel to England – fully vaccinated…..book and pay for a COVID-19 test – to be taken before the end of day 2 in England”

Standard procedures that applied until the rules changed for some arrivals yesterday..

www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-england-from-another-country-during-coronavirus-covid-19

StCharlotte Sat 27-Nov-21 11:30:13

There's a BA crew in a covid detention centre in Hong Kong for 21 days because one of the pilots tested negative before take off but tested positive on landing.

notimagain Sat 27-Nov-21 11:32:18

StCharlotte

There's a BA crew in a covid detention centre in Hong Kong for 21 days because one of the pilots tested negative before take off but tested positive on landing.

Yikes….that really won’t be any fun at all..

Tryingtryingandtrying Sat 27-Nov-21 11:35:45

No reason to assume British flights any different, but obv we don't actually know as they all just went home.

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Florelei Sat 27-Nov-21 11:42:37

I have to say I was shocked by the amount of positive cases.

notimagain Sat 27-Nov-21 11:48:52

Tryingtryingandtrying

No reason to assume British flights any different, but obv we don't actually know as they all just went home.

You wouldn’t know at the airport but you would know when the day two test results were processed…..

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