To think that unvaccinated people whining about rights and freedoms when they can’t go to a concert

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Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 20:30:37

Are entitled? I am so sick of hearing the vaccine hesitant / covid deniers say that it makes no difference if you’re vaccinated, so they should be allowed to go around doing exactly what they want even though they don’t care about the effects on other people or don’t believe the virus exists.

The government has not said that they will restrict medical treatments or impose financial penalties on people who don’t get vaccinated. I wouldn’t agree with that. That would be taking away rights.

But I personally don’t think that it’s a god given right to attend clubs, theatres and to go on holiday if you refuse to comply with health measures at the height of a pandemic.

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lljkk Sun 19-Sep-21 20:40:29

I am so sick of hearing the vaccine hesitant / covid deniers

it's weird, because I don't have a single person like that in my real world social contacts nor do I get exposed to them online (not on MN, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn...) Not one denier & I can only think of one vaccine hesitant person (she actually was vaccinated but regrets it)

I do however hear/see LOTS of angry condemnation of the unvaccinated:

"They should be denied medical treatment"
"Vaccines should be mandatory"
"They are beneath contempt!"
"Oh well, if they won't be vaccinated then it's just a natural consequence if they lose their job"
"I'm sick of the covidiots!"

etc.

No matter how much I snooze or mute or unfollow, still this crap pops into my time lines. It's frustrating when you can't filter out the intolerant ignorance. Sadly my D-dad is one of the people spouting half of that stuff, I try hard to talk about something else with him.

Tryingtryingandtrying Sun 19-Sep-21 20:42:30

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Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 20:43:01

I don’t think that people should be denied medical treatment.

My daughters dad is a covid denier 🙄 that’s why I hear it so much (whether I want to or not)

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Awalkintime Sun 19-Sep-21 20:44:36

lljkk
You might not see it but they might on their facebook. I see a lot of it. Name calling those who are vaccinated, calling nurses who are doing the vaccination programme the most horrific names and hoping they will stand trial for murder apparently.

Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 20:45:40

My ex has been kicked off LinkedIn.

Some of these people border on terrorism with their views.

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IvorHughJarrs Sun 19-Sep-21 20:53:12

I work with a couple so hear of them and their non-vaccinated friends regularly. One colleague has just had Covid, been really quite poorly although not hospitalised and one of the friends (man, early 40s, no health conditions but overweight) has just died leaving a wife and two young children.
I have heard a lot about their rights but nothing at all about any responsibility towards others. I agree there should be restrictions if you choose not to follow medical advice

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Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 20:56:28

@IvorHughJarrs I heard of an identical situation regarding a man in his early 40s with 2 young children. Unvaccinated & caught Covid at Wembley.

I worry that my daughters dad will catch it and get very ill. He's 52 so not young. Even though he's an idiot I still care about him.

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Gingerkittykat Sun 19-Sep-21 20:57:13

All covid passports do is make the conspiracy nuts bleat on about Nazi Germany and likening themselves to Jewish people.

I do think there are genuine civil liberty issues with vaccine passports, especially in places like Ireland where you now need some kind of passport to go to a coffee shop.

I think it is totally reasonable to make front line health workers be vaccinated but not so sure about commercial premises.

MyPatronusIsACat Sun 19-Sep-21 20:59:39

100% agree @Itsnotover I know several anti vaxxers who have only just recently got the vaccine because it was going to interfere with their holidaying/travelling/concert going.

A few people I know haven't had it/have refused it, and are now pissing and moaning that they can't go to this show and that concert etc etc. Boohoo cry me a river! Get the vaccine then!

TartanJumper Sun 19-Sep-21 21:03:27

I absolutely agree they have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. Up to them.
Their freedom and choices end when they start to affect others, IMO. If a large enough % choose not to be, then we're back at square one (no herd immunity) and that affects everybody.
Consequence- they can't go to places where they are likely to be in close contact with a large amount of people.
Seems fair to me.

CarryOnNurse20 Sun 19-Sep-21 21:05:13

The situation has changed. It’s now a war on the unvaccinated. The vast vast majority of people ill in hospital are unvaccinated. Even if numbers rise as long as the majority are unvaccinated the general vaccinated population won’t care. They certainly won’t tolerate restrictions to protect the unvaccinated. The only people I know who are unvaccinated are uneducated idiots.

Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 21:07:11

TartanJumper

I absolutely agree they have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. Up to them.
Their freedom and choices end when they start to affect others, IMO. If a large enough % choose not to be, then we're back at square one (no herd immunity) and that affects everybody.
Consequence- they can't go to places where they are likely to be in close contact with a large amount of people.
Seems fair to me.

Exactly, I think this is a more eloquently worded explanation of what I was trying to say.

Funnily enough, when you ask an anti vaxxer how we could have got out of the lockdowns without vaccines they have no answer 🤨

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spanieleyes Sun 19-Sep-21 21:11:03

In France, you need a health pass to access bars, restaurants, shopping malls, leisure and cultural venues with over 50 people, campsites, holiday accommodation as well as long distance travel on trains, coaches and planes.

PassTheDutchyUpYrLeftBackside Sun 19-Sep-21 21:11:38

I can't personally really understand why people would NOT take a vaccine that would make the chances of you becoming seriously ill very small.

I do know that people are complex characters and there will be some that are over anxious, susceptible to wild theories and influences, and are likely scared and vulnerable.

I do ALSO think that 'Covid passports' for general pastimes and activities are the thin end of the wedge, and I hope we don't regret allowing this corrupt, incompetent government so much power in the long term.

DGFB Sun 19-Sep-21 21:14:19

Totally agree with you.
I’m happy for a Covid deniers to have no fun whatsoever while I (vaccinated) get back to normal and show I give a sh&t about others

TartanJumper Sun 19-Sep-21 21:17:12

Surely those refusing the vaccination is a very small number anyway? I just checked and the UK has almost 90% of over 16s vaccinated with one dose.
90% is a fantastic uptake. I think the (very vocal) refusers are a tiny, tiny minority really.

XenoBitch Sun 19-Sep-21 21:17:17

YABU
I don't understand how anyone can think this division of people into vaccinated and unvaccinated is acceptable. Just look at the arguments it causes online. The world has lost its mind.

VladmirsPoutine Sun 19-Sep-21 21:22:53

I can understand vaccine hesitancy - although I have happily been vaccinated. But I think the people likening it to Nazi Germany and talking as though this is historically the biggest oppression or whatever have totally lost it.

DollyDinkle Sun 19-Sep-21 21:24:19

Yabvu. if your vaccine is so good then why worry about those who are worried about its safety. You should be more worried about losing your freedom.

ZednotZee Sun 19-Sep-21 21:26:21

YANBU.

I am not going to have the vaccine yet.

So I have found alternative employment and am happy to forego concerts etc and travel within the UK for the foreseeable.

Its really not a hardship.

Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 21:29:10

DollyDinkle

Yabvu. if your vaccine is so good then why worry about those who are worried about its safety. You should be more worried about losing your freedom.

Vaccines don’t work unless everyone who can have them safely has them. It’s that simple 🤷🏻‍♀️

People who compare the situation to Nazi Germany are offensive in the extreme. Anti vaxxers clearly have a victim complex.

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Itsnotover Sun 19-Sep-21 21:30:52

XenoBitch

YABU
I don't understand how anyone can think this division of people into vaccinated and unvaccinated is acceptable. Just look at the arguments it causes online. The world has lost its mind.

I don’t understand why some people think that Covid isn’t serious given the chaos it has caused. But here we are.

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Summerofcontent Sun 19-Sep-21 21:32:13

TartanJumper

Surely those refusing the vaccination is a very small number anyway? I just checked and the UK has almost 90% of over 16s vaccinated with one dose.
90% is a fantastic uptake. I think the (very vocal) refusers are a tiny, tiny minority really.

That tiny minority is around 5 million people.
Not so tiny when there's a 5% hospitalisation rate

BordelDeMerde Sun 19-Sep-21 21:32:45

lljkk

^I am so sick of hearing the vaccine hesitant / covid deniers^

it's weird, because I don't have a single person like that in my real world social contacts nor do I get exposed to them online (not on MN, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn...) Not one denier & I can only think of one vaccine hesitant person (she actually was vaccinated but regrets it)

I do however hear/see LOTS of angry condemnation of the unvaccinated:

"They should be denied medical treatment"
"Vaccines should be mandatory"
"They are beneath contempt!"
"Oh well, if they won't be vaccinated then it's just a natural consequence if they lose their job"
"I'm sick of the covidiots!"

etc.

No matter how much I snooze or mute or unfollow, still this crap pops into my time lines. It's frustrating when you can't filter out the intolerant ignorance. Sadly my D-dad is one of the people spouting half of that stuff, I try hard to talk about something else with him.

I live in France and about half of the local people Ì have on my FB are bitching and moaning about the vaccine and the vaccine passport. They're also posting things about rebellion and free-thinking and civil disobedience etc. I think they're fucking idiots and frankly, it's made reconsider a lot of my friendships/acquaintances.

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